Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:24:46 +0300 From: Boris Samorodov <bsam@ipt.ru> To: Chuck Robey <chuckr@chuckr.org> Cc: Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@Leidinger.net>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HOW-TO get Flash7 working! Message-ID: <09608113@bb.ipt.ru> In-Reply-To: <478E5C3F.1050301@chuckr.org> (Chuck Robey's message of "Wed\, 16 Jan 2008 14\:34\:23 -0500") References: <64c038660801040516u5c42a6cpadb475ad67fb4730@mail.gmail.com> <20080104174955.52aa33fd@gumby.homeunix.com> <64c038660801041029t1a9662bayed3ca02fd46c7ece@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660801041226k1d350bc6p727e4666ea295727@mail.gmail.com> <477FFE14.1010704@monkeybrains.net> <477FFF63.50004@gmail.com> <47801D54.8050709@gmail.com> <47803E3F.2080005@monkeybrains.net> <47804901.6090007@gmail.com> <4786BF45.8030602@monkeybrains.net> <4786CEDC.3050009@chuckr.org> <20080111170711.t6wxj1bc68cgwwk4@webmail.leidinger.net> <4787E597.9040902@chuckr.org> <40077827@bb.ipt.ru> <478BC152.8060200@chuckr.org> <20080115103304.us4jtiziec44o8c0@webmail.leidinger.net> <478D09E7.5020609@chuckr.org> <07863149@bb.ipt.ru> <478D2137.1010203@chuckr.org> <41782057@bb.ipt.ru> <478E5C3F.1050301@chuckr.org>
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:34:23 -0500 Chuck Robey wrote: > Boris Samorodov wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:10:15 -0500 Chuck Robey wrote: > > > >> All those libraries need to be found > >> by the flash9 plugin library. > > > > Please, give me strict instructions how to repeate (what to do > > after a fresh install): > > ----- > > 0. Fresh RELENG_X_Y install. > > 2. Fresh ports (or date=...). > > 3. ... > I said at the very beginning of this thread, that I didn't keep track of > what I did, because the tack I took was to relocate all of the libs to the > /compat tree, and this sort of strategy can't be taken until I could get > official approval of that as the correct method to take for installation of > Linux libraries. Catch 22? You won't do anything without official approvement but you won't get an official approvement without proving you are right... > If I got that approval, I said I would undertake to > locate and fix all of the ports that currently install Linux stuff into the > /usr/local tree, and then make the flash9 work. This sort of tack can't be > attempted, unless I could show the port authors involved that I have > official approval to get this thing done, so they could either approve of > the diffs I would give them, or argue it with the port managers themselves. > What I never, ever intended to try, was to force things in any way, that's > acting childishly. I just needed a official hammer that was morally strong > enough to get things moving. Please, prove that you are right. Or do you want to receive a hammer without doing it? > In fact, if it were understood that I was to get that sort of ruling in > advance, then I would agree to submit complete diffs, in advance of the Patches will be good, but firstly it would be enough to give just instructions which one can follow (see a quote at the very beginning). > work, both so folks could look at them, and so it could be proven that this > strategy does indeed get the flash9 working. I'm not terribly worried > about doing that, because I did it on my system already, and the only worry > for me is if things (in the meantime) might have changed enough to make > this no longer possible. > But without that? I would be condemned to endless arguments, in order to > effect all the changes, and I don't like arguing that much. No, I am not > going to contribute to a tack that I feel is wrong-headed. I won't get in > your way, but I wouldn't contribute to that. > I hope that's a reasonably honest approach. To be REALLY stict about it, > what I'm most strict about is getting all Linux libraries into the /compat > tree, and probably doing that alone would be sufficient, but I'm trying > here for the whole boat, moving all Linux things into /compat, as the > hier(7) dictates (as I read it), Hier gurus may not read ports@. > and for the reasons that I've given > endlessly by now. I didn't see any _proved_ reason. Is there somebody out there who did? > In fact, I think it's a fact that I've really given this all the airing > that's really needed. If folks can't see it's needed after all this, then > go ahead and live with it, as long as I can make my system my way. I will > no longer feel bad about it, I gave it a fair try at sharing what I felt > was the right way to do things. I have asked a bunch of times (both in > this thread, and in one direct mail to them) to get one of the port > managers to issue a ruling, but I think I will take being ignored as a de > facto ruling. I don't wish to harangue folks any longer. Actually, I don't understand what you don't understand. The thread becomes a little bit annoying to me. :-( If can prove that you are right just do it. Please. If you can't (or don't want or else) it's also OK. Please. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve
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