Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 01:10:41 -0700 From: Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> To: Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com> Cc: Marius Strobl <marius@freebsd.org>, Mark Millard via freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Attempted large jump to head -r337347 for pine64+ 2GB did not finish the boot: eventual MMC handling problems before root file system is mounted Message-ID: <0A01DBA9-557A-435D-9CB4-35A7BFA1BAC1@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20180810085932.248050e3383151efb41c967c@bidouilliste.com> References: <0918383D-5A5A-40A0-ADCB-08C500153BE1@yahoo.com> <20180806124421.0b622761272370d2946cac29@bidouilliste.com> <0FF066AF-D9F3-4523-8203-B9405091F10A@yahoo.com> <20180806193755.8c4e9a63bcd0870d55fe3969@bidouilliste.com> <05447ED6-3E61-4D67-B300-3182CB07079A@yahoo.com> <93D377C9-9123-40AF-AF5F-B3437831A91D@yahoo.com> <5A44C1CC-DB88-4C07-8F31-FD4348BBA6C6@yahoo.com> <D83A4360-AF95-4299-95C0-BBC677EF7633@yahoo.com> <20180809220012.GU21523@alchemy.franken.de> <22CDDB1E-48D5-4F60-9345-78992867299F@yahoo.com> <2BB6ADC9-FA89-4C49-90B8-27CD6B1842AF@yahoo.com> <20180810085932.248050e3383151efb41c967c@bidouilliste.com>
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On 2018-Aug-9, at 11:59 PM, Emmanuel Vadot <manu at bidouilliste.com> =
wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 23:39:35 -0700
> Mark Millard <marklmi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>=20
>> On 2018-Aug-9, at 8:02 PM, Mark Millard <marklmi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On 2018-Aug-9, at 3:00 PM, Marius Strobl <marius at freebsd.org> =
wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 02:02:58AM -0700, Mark Millard wrote:
>>>>> . . .
>>>>=20
>>>> It's true that an eMMC chip can support DDR52 at 3.0 V VCCQ. =
However,
>>>> with eMMC devices on SDHCI controllers, eMMC DDR52 translates to SD
>>>> DDR50 which - like any UHS-I mode - requires 1.8 V signaling (see =
for
>>>> example figure 3-14 in the SD physical layer specification version
>>>> 6.00). Thus, DDR52 at 3.0 V VCCQ is not supposed to be possible =
with
>>>> SDHCI controllers and at the time DDR5{0,2} support for FreeBSD was
>>>> written, Linux didn't support the former either so I saw no point =
in
>>>> adding a MMC_CAP_MMC_DDR52_300 to FreeBSD (Linux grew =
MMC_CAP_3_3V_DDR
>>>> a bit later in January 2017, though).
>>>> While I have no problem with support for DDR52 at 3.0 V VCCQ being
>>>> added to mmc(4), I doubt that will solve your problem given that =
Linux
>>>> doesn't set mmc-ddr-3_3v and MMC_CAP_3_3V_DDR respectively for =
Pine64+
>>>> or any other Allwinner gear. Based on what I could figure out about
>>>> Allwinner MMC controllers, their capabilities actually differ =
depending
>>>> on the particular instance of MMC controller of a given SoC =
(apparently,
>>>> they are intended for different purposes, i. e. eMMC, eSD, SD, =
SDIO).
>=20
> Yes, the first controller is usually used for SD, second for SDIO and
> the third for eMMC. I don't know if any of them can be used for any of
> the function or if they are intended to be used for a specific mode.
>=20
>>>> So I guess what needs to be done is to let aw_mmc(4) announce and
>>>> support different sets of capabilities depending on which instance =
of
>>>> the controller it is driving.=20
>=20
> That seems the easiest fix.
>=20
>>>> For your adapter this likely means that
>>>> high-speed at 3.0 V VCCQ is the achievable maximum so that the =
microSD
>>>> slot complies with the SD physical layer specification if 1.8 V =
VCCQ
>>>> isn't supported by the particular board.
>>>=20
>>> Thanks for the notes.
>>>=20
>>> Clearly there is something that I'm missing because:
>>>=20
>>> *) Historically (before the switch to official dts's and such)
>>> I was able to boot, buildworld, buildkernel, poudreire-devel
>>> and the like booting from the e.MCC over the sdcard
>>> adapter plugged into the Pine64+ 2GB's sdcard slot.
>=20
> We always used official DTS for aarch64.
> What changed recently is that I added DDR52 support to the controller.
My quick attempt at identifying the history point was poor. It
looks like I should have referenced before and during the ccu-ng switch,
before and during the USB being temporarily unsupported in the
similar time frame. I held back to materials that allowed USB use and
did not update past that until just recently. (This is still just a =
summary,
not the full history of my builds based on the older materials in this =
area.
But it should be good enough.)
>>> It had been my standard configuration for some time before
>>> I made the jump to a more modern environment.
>>>=20
>>> As for now:
>>>=20
>>> A) u-boot successfully gets the loader from the e.MCC over the =
sdcard
>>> adapter plugged into the Pine64+ 2GB's sdracard slot.
>>>=20
>>> B) The loader successfully loads the kernel from the e.MCC over the
>>> sdcard adapter plugged into the Pine64+ 2GB's sdracard slot.
>=20
> Loaded use u-boot driver and it only work with HS mode iirc.
Sounds likely. Good to know. Thanks.
>>> C) The first failure is from the kernel attempting to deal with
>>> the e.MCC (via the adapter).
>>>=20
>>> I may have read into this (and the messages from boot -v and what
>>> was said about them) the wrong assumptions about what is wrong.
>>>=20
>>> What I can say is that the issue looks to be specific to the
>>> FreeBSD kernel but not to the prior loader (nor to u-boot).
>>=20
>> As for the Pine A64+ 2GB specifics . . .
>>=20
>> Quoting pine6.org about the microsd support for Pine A64:
>>=20
>> QUOTE
>> The Pine A64 board supports SD, SDHC, and SDXC format microSD card ? =
this means the largest capacity is 256GB. Please note that if a microSD =
card is formatted as an FAT32 file format, the maximum capacity is 32GB.
>> END QUOTE
>>=20
>> I would expect supporting SDHC and SDXC to mean support for
>> various 1.8V modes of use: Such required if UHS-I is
>> supported (UHS50 or UHS104). Also DDR50 is required for
>> microSD (but not Standard SD). This would seem to match what
>> the schematics suggest to me (see below).
>>=20
>> I looked and the Power Tree page of the schematics for
>> the Pine A64+ 2GB at:
>>=20
>> =
http://files.pine64.org/doc/Pine%20A64%20Schematic/Pine%20A64plus%202GB%20=
Rev%20C-20160113_Release.pdf
>>=20
>> and the page shows DC/DC1 as "1.6~3.4V@ 1.5A" to
>> "3.3V Nand/Emcc/SDCard(ON)/WiFi-IO". In turn, the Power page
>> shows DCDC1 tied to VCC-CARD and the T-CADD/USB page shows
>> VCC-CARD connected to T-CARD, with "R58 0R R0603" in-line to
>> VDD. T-CARD looks to me like the sdcard slot connections.
>> (Yes: the mix of T-CADD and T-CARD naming is as in the
>> document.) (I'm not listing the capacitor and such.)
>=20
> VCC-CARD is indeed DCDC1, but DCDC1 also provide power to VCC-IO,
> VCC3V3-USB etc .... so it needs to stay at 3.3V
Ahh, I see. All the control of such is at DC/DC1 and the rest follow
together.
>>=20
>>=20
>> For reference, for the e.MCC adaptor for anyone that cares:
>> (things like "3.3V" are as labeled in those schematics,
>> whatever the actual voltage of use for some mode of use)
>>=20
>> https://forum.odroid.com/download/file.php?id=3D1036&mode=3Dview
>>=20
>> shows a 49.9K resister in line between 3.3V and RSTN at the
>> e.MMC end of things. It also shows a 10uF capacitor between
>> 3.3V and ground on VDD from the micrSD end of things.
>>=20
>> The rest is direct connections.
>>=20
>> But the connections are for using a Hardkernel eMMC module,
>> in my case V0.3.
>>=20
>> http://forum.odroid.com/download/file.php?id=3D433
>>=20
>> is for that module. Other than some parallel capacitors to
>> ground off of VDD and VDDF, and one off of VDDI, it looks
>> like direct connections there to the e.MMC device as well.
>>=20
>> End "for reference".
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> The above does not say the the loader and u-boot are using
>> a 1.8 V mode instead of a 3.3V mode of operation for the
>> sdcard interface, even if 1.8V is possible.
>=20
> It doesn't, see
> =
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/arch/arm64/boot/dts/allwinne=
r/sun50i-a64-pine64.dts#L151
>=20
> Again, 1.8V is in theory possible, but I wouldn't try that on my
> boards.
So it looks like if the e.MMC on an adapter card were to be supported,
it would be via Bit 1 or Bit 0 below, much like u-boot is apparently
doing.
>> =46rom an e.MMC CARD_TYPE/DEVICE_TYPE point of view it could be
>> any of (for 3V):
>>=20
>> Bit 2: High-Speed DDR MultimediaCard @ (up to) 52 MHz 3V
>> Bit 1: High-Speed MultimediaCard @ (up to) 52 MHz "at rated device =
voltage(s)"
>> Bit 0: High-Speed MultimediaCard @ (up to) 26 MHz "at rated device =
voltage(s)"
>>=20
>> that match up with one of the sdcard 3.3V modes:
>>=20
>> UHS-I modes:
>> DS: Default Speed up to 25 MHz 3.3V signaling
>> HS: High Speed up to 50 MHz 3.3V signaling
>> (Looks like the signal timings are distinct from 1.8 V modes.)
>>=20
>> So not bit 2 if 3V, unsure about the other two bits for 3V.
>>=20
>> In fact, for the SanDisk Extreme 32 GB microSDHC I V30 A1
>> UHS Speed Class 3 card (that I showed that the Pine64+ 2GB does
>> boot from) the kernel seems to pick the UHS-I HS mode,
>> instead of SDR50 or DDR50 or higher:
>=20
> Because SDR50 or DDR50 needs 1.8V signaling.
> So the maximum mode that we can select is HS at 50Mhz which is
> using 3.3V signaling.
Okay. It would be nice if the e.MMC on an sdcard adapter also did so
someday, somewhat like u-boot apparently does (up to clock rate
differences?). Even going slower, I'd prefer e.MMC media.
>> aw_mmc0: <Allwinner Integrated MMC/SD controller> mem =
0x1c0f000-0x1c0ffff irq 4 on simplebus0
>> aw_mmc0: vmmc-supply regulator found
>> mmc0: <MMC/SD bus> on aw_mmc0
>> random: harvesting attach, 8 bytes (4 bits) from mmc0
>> random: harvesting attach, 8 bytes (4 bits) from aw_mmc0
>> simplebus0: <mmc@1c10000> mem 0x1c10000-0x1c10fff irq 5 disabled =
compat allwinner,sun50i-a64-mmc (no driver attached)
>> simplebus0: <mmc@1c11000> mem 0x1c11000-0x1c11fff irq 6 disabled =
compat allwinner,sun50i-a64-emmc (no driver attached)
>> . . .
>> aw_mmc0: Powering up sd/mmc
>> mmc0: Probing bus
>> . . .
>> mmc0: SD 2.0 interface conditions: OK
>> mmc0: SD probe: OK (OCR: 0x40ff8000)
>> mmc0: Current OCR: 0x00ff8000
>> mmc0: Probing cards
>> mmc0: New card detected (CID 0353445345333247800978130301171d)
>> mmc0: New card detected (CSD 400e00325b590000edc87f800a4040c3)
>> mmc0: Card at relative address 0xaaaa added:
>> mmc0: card: SDHC SE32G 8.0 SN <REPLACED> MFG 07/2017 by 3 SD
>> mmc0: quirks: 0
>> mmc0: bus: 4bit, 50MHz (high speed timing)
>> mmc0: memory: 62333952 blocks, erase sector 8192 blocks
>> mmc0: setting transfer rate to 50.000MHz (high speed timing)
>> mmcsd0: 32GB <SDHC SE32G 8.0 SN <REPLACED> MFG 07/2017 by 3 SD> at =
mmc0 50.0MHz/4bit/32768-block
>> random: harvesting attach, 8 bytes (4 bits) from mmcsd0
>> GEOM: new disk mmcsd0
>> mmc0: setting bus width to 4 bits high speed timing
>> mmc0: ACMD42 failed, RESULT: 4
>> mmc0: Card at relative address 43690 failed to set bus width
>>=20
>>=20
=3D=3D=3D
Mark Millard
marklmi at yahoo.com
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