Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 14:54:11 +0200 From: clutton <clutton@zoho.com> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing Message-ID: <1387544051.8658.68.camel@eva02.mbsd> In-Reply-To: <20131219181343.GB47750@glaze.hydra> References: <307860.67121.bm@smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <201312190944.rBJ9isTx024731@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20131219181343.GB47750@glaze.hydra>
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On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 11:13 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 01:44:57AM -0800, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > > > >From: "Thomas Mueller" > > > > > >There are many messages on this thread, and I don't know which or > > >what to quote, but I agree on send-pr being user-unfriendly. > >=20 > > I disagree. > > I use only send-pr to send PRs. > > I use sendmail. >=20 > I disagree with you. For new users, send-pr is a fucking usability > train wreck, and insufficiently well documented. Sendmail is legendary > for its obtuse configuration. I suppose you should be proud of the fact > you find these tools easy to use, but that does not mean you should > dismiss others' concerns over how difficult some people find them. The > fact many people find these tools very difficult to use is in fact kind > of a big problem, and I'm glad something is being done about it with > regard to the bugzilla system. I wouldn't have chosen bugzilla if it > was up to me, but it's not up to me and it's sure to be a huge > improvement over the system currently in place, so I'm grateful for the > work being done. Hopefully the command line send-pr tool will also be > replaced with something that actually provides a low-friction way for > people with problem reports to contribute to the FreeBSD project. >=20 > In conclusion, I agree with Thomas (though I much prefer fdm over mpop, > personally), and believe that send-pr (or its replacement, whenever that > happens) desperately needs some better documentation. I rather suspect > that a lot of people with problems to report simply give up and leave us > with no clue there's anything wrong. >=20 +1 People wouldn't read the =C2=ABPorters Handbook=C2=BB because they want to = make a bug report. Category and Class are far away from obvious. Handbook said that the FreeBSD consists from src, ports, and docs. The send-pr Category dropbox contains ports, bin, java, ia64, etc. It's insane to put everything here.
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