Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:53:24 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com> To: Marco Molteni <molter@logic.it> Cc: Vincent Poy <vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM>, security@FreeBSD.ORG, "\[Mario1-\]" <mario1@PrimeNet.Com> Subject: Re: security hole in FreeBSD Message-ID: <14878.870303204@time.cdrom.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:04:33 %2B0200." <Pine.BSF.3.91.970730134009.197A-100000@dumbwinter.ecomotor.it>
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> Do you think one can be a newcomer as an administrator, but _has_ to know > everything about security before he starts to work? Come on! Actually, if this question is: "Can a newcomer to UNIX be an administrator" then the answer is a most emphatic "NO." I don't let the mechanically inept work on my car, either, and I wouldn't expect a 1st-year UNIX hacker to sell himself as an admin (or if [s]he did, I certainly bloody wouldn't hire them and would probably further denounce as a fool anyone who did). This flame doesn't also actually have a lot to do with Vince directly, though I do think that he's perhaps a little too inexperienced for the job he's taken on, but is rather more of a commentary on a highly disturbing phenomenon which I've observed in far too many ISPs lately. It seems like becoming an ISP has been the "in" thing to do these last few years, and many have jumped in with far more enthusiasm than skill. I probably get between 2 and 3 calls a week from some ISP who's completely hosed themselves and, as it turns out, knows NOTHING about UNIX or any of the infrastructure issues behind building an ISP and yet they're trying to do it anyway. What's the deal here? Did somebody drop a million matchbooks over the U.S. saying "become an ISP and make tons of $$$ in your spare time! No knowledge whatsoever is required! Yes, even the legally dead can enter the profitable world of ..." :-) Jordan
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