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Date:      Wed, 30 May 2001 10:37:13 -0400
From:      Vivek Khera <khera@kcilink.com>
To:        Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com>
Cc:        Seth <seth@psychotic.aberrant.org>, stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: adding "noschg" to ssh and friends
Message-ID:  <15125.1433.517037.245078@onceler.kciLink.com>
In-Reply-To: <200105292315.f4TNFOu31573@earth.backplane.com>
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>>>>> "MD" == Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com> writes:

MD>     Putting on my security hat... no.  All you are doing is forcing the
MD>     hacker to use some more obscure and possibly less detectable way to
MD>     compromise the machine.  So, in fact, you could be making the problem
MD>     *worse*.

I guess in general, that may be correct.  But wouldn't you want some
reassurance that your only "secure" connection to the machine is not
tamered with?  That is, if your machine is compromised, and the only
way you can connect to it is via a trojaned service, then you're
really hosed.  I think ssh should be protected from this type of
attack.

In any case, what about my other question?  If I "schg" the ssh
related executables and libs, will installworld croak or does it know
to noschg all files first?  I can't see that it does it even for the
binaries that are schg in the system already (like rsh).

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