Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:14:35 -0600 From: "Mike Meyer" <mwm-dated-1015470875.56aa1c@mired.org> To: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org>, Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS-X question(WAS:GUI question.) Message-ID: <15488.17307.182886.938736@guru.mired.org> In-Reply-To: <20020302004028.A90395@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0203011432131.2796-100000@pilchuck.reedmedia.net> <p0510140fb8a5bc92819a@[10.0.1.26]> <200203010532.AAA17582@alpha.vaxxine.com> <p05101403b8a5459d1362@[10.0.1.26]> <200203012019.PAA14268@uce55.uchaswv.edu> <p0510140bb8a59e566b67@[10.0.1.26]> <20020302004028.A90395@clan.nothing-going-on.org>
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Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> types: > On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:12:28PM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > > It is 95% of the way there from the Mac perspective. However, it > > does not ship with an X server, and getting one to work on MacOS X is > > not trivial. It's much more difficult to get it working and fully > > integrated with the MacOS X desktop (i.e., in rootless mode). > That is no longer true. The latest version of XFree86 runs very nicely > on my Powerbook, in rootless and rooted mode. Installation is a snap. How well does it integrate apps that expect to run on Aqua, or whatever apple's UI is called? Can I still use them if I'm running X11? Do they expect part of their interface to be provided by the environment, which caused problems for Motif-specific applications on non-Motif window managers? Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be> types: > At 2:41 PM -0800 2002/03/01, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > I'd say the Apple-enforced consistency is probably one of the > most important things. This is enhanced by the Apple-provided > libraries that you are largely forced to use. I agree with that. It's also one of the worst things about the Mac. To paraphrase, you can have it in any flaver you like, just so long as you like apple. Part of the problem is that the basic design was done using studies of casual users, who didn't use the system often enough to remember things like keystoke shortcuts, or which button selects and which button pops up a menu. I'd have to go digging the numbers up, but a GOMS-level analysis of the X11 bloated window managers vs. my not-bloated widow manager shows that the expected time to complete a window management task is well under 50% for my version. The Mac wouldn't fair as well as X11 does under the same analysis. Thanx, <mike -- Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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