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Date:      Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:16:47 -0600
From:      Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>
To:        Benjamin Krueger <benjamin@macguire.net>
Cc:        "Karsten W. Rohrbach" <karsten@rohrbach.de>, Jeff Palmer <scorpio@drkshdw.org>, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-02:21.tcpip
Message-ID:  <15551.28671.448890.421578@caddis.yogotech.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020418171454.E23267@rain.macguire.net>
References:  <4.3.2.7.2.20020417230144.032ad390@nospam.lariat.org> <200204171923.g3HJNga58899@freefall.freebsd.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020418095356.024354c0@nospam.lariat.org> <012901c1e725$da237e90$0286a8c0@jeffrey> <20020418154338.D23267@rain.macguire.net> <20020419014351.M60925@mail.webmonster.de> <20020418171454.E23267@rain.macguire.net>

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> > > Like it or not, Brett has raised a concern which is entirely valid and echoed
> > > by many system administrators. ( I have a feeling the number is not small )
> > 
> > but you are missing the point that _administrators_ have the option (and
> > the knowledge) to upgrade from source, using a builder system, just like
> > most freebsd admins with larger installations do.
> 

> Indeed they do. Doing this for 1000 individual servers, even when
> scripted, is an incredible task, and not very feasible.

Doing *anything* to 1000 individual servers running ANY OS is an
incredible tasks, regardless of what is being done.  Why is FreeBSD
being singled out here?

> Quite a few shops do have the luxery of being able to maintain and release
> internal builds. Quite a few more do not. Either way, its still a good
> opportunity for someone who can. =)

Any shop that has a significant # of servers that I've worked with takes
the time to do internal builds using a standard set of hardware.
Otherwise, you spend more time chasing your tail than in solving
problems.  (Again, this issue is orthogonal to the issue of which
hardware/software is being used).




Nate

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