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Date:      Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:55:07 +0100 (MET)
From:      grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey)
To:        bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans)
Cc:        hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers)
Subject:   Re: machine reboot & kernel maxusers option
Message-ID:  <199511051455.PAA12893@allegro.lemis.de>
In-Reply-To: <199511051354.AAA05773@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Nov 6, 95 00:54:28 am

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Bruce Evans writes:
> 
> >> >I'll go along with that.  "Not found" also scares off people who don't
> >> >realize that it's a normal state of affairs.
> >> 
> >> It's only normal (and not good) for GENERIC and other bloated kernels.
> 
> >Would you like to hazard a guess about what percentage of people
> >really, *really* customize their kernels?  Even if you do, you might
> 
> Low.  20%?

Well, I suppose it's a guess, but what do other people think?
Remember, this is a group of people who *understand* the system.  I'd
guess that not more than 1% of the users out there rebuild their
system, and those that do do it mainly because they have a problem
with the generic kernel.

> >need to keep things in that you don't have (I haven't found a clean
> >way to remove CD-ROM support, for example).  You're right, though,
> >that doesn't make it good.
> 
> I would at least disable the drivers for hardware that doesn't exist.
> This doesn't reduce the space bloat but it makes driver probes more
> reliable and turns "Not found" warnings into errors.

Sure, but how?  If I remove CD-ROM support for my dickless
workstations, I get unresolved references from other modules which do
need to stay.  Sure, I could go in and throw in some #ifdefs--maybe.
But that's going beyond a simple kernel rebuild.

Or are you saying "keep CD-ROM support, but remove the drivers"?  That
might work--I haven't tried it, because I don't like playing trial and
error, and I don't have time to analyse the sources.

Greg



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