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Date:      Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:57:28 -0700
From:      erich@uruk.org
To:        Dayton Clark <dayton@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu>
Cc:        freebsd-smp@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: QuadPro Motherboard 
Message-ID:  <199609252257.PAA16923@uruk.org>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:49:00 EDT." <199609251449.KAA17618@robeson.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> 

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Dayton Clark <dayton@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> writes:

> We've got an attractive quote on 4CPU systems with QuadPro
> motherboards which use the Orion chipset.  I plan to try Freebsd-SMP
> on one of them, at least for awhile.

Uhh...  as far as I know, no P6 motherboard will work with FreeBSD-SMP.

The problem is that FreeBSD-SMP has a hard-coded value for the local APIC
address, and while the Pentium has this same hard-coded limitation,
the Pentium Pro does not (and in fact many systems relocate it).

The MP spec has an entry for this value.  Linux-SMP had the same problem
before I started work on it.

>   o I know the Orion chipset has a bad rap.  Does the B0 release fix
>     the problems?  I/O bandwidth is not a major concern for our
>     applications but interprocessor communication is.  Putting aside
>     the 4MB/sec I/O limit, are the chipset OK?

The B0 is *much* nicer.  I've gotten some really good performance
numbers out of it.  Unfortunately, it was tuned for large transactions
on the I/O bus, so (I think) small transfers may not do as well as
even the high-end Pentium chipsets.

Natoma is clearly better for small I/O transactions.

>   o Any comments/experience/suggestions regarding QuadPro motherboards
>     in general?

I've never talked to anyone who has used one, but the motherboard
is probably similar to the Intel Alder motherboard (the AMI Goliath was),
and it's a screamer.

>   o I've been searching Intel web site for their comments on the Orion
>     chipset.  Where are they located?

I think you have to get the chipset specs for that.  Intel is unfortunately
tight-lipped about such information about any of their chips (I think
the big-company syndrome has gotten to them pretty bad).

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