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Date:      Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:20:10 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Alex <garbanzo@hooked.net>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: DELETING WINDOWS 95, Please Help
Message-ID:  <19971216112010.31703@lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.971215163657.3066A-100000@zippy.dyn.ml.org>; from Alex on Mon, Dec 15, 1997 at 04:40:55PM -0800
References:  <19971216092045.30501@lemis.com> <Pine.BSF.3.96.971215163657.3066A-100000@zippy.dyn.ml.org>

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On Mon, Dec 15, 1997 at 04:40:55PM -0800, Alex wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Greg Lehey wrote:
>
>>> No, I have 64mb ;-)  And no I'm not gonna try to get 32 more.
>>
>> 64 MB will do.
>
> Sometimes I wonder, perhaps it's just my window manager eating up
> ram.

Were you the person complaining about a 3 minute startup?  Does it
swap a lot during that time?  The other thing we've been seeing is
that it hangs for about that amount of time doing a name server
lookup.  In this case, it's completely idle during that period.

>>> I like it because it's graphical and somewhat less awkward than emacs
>>> (for me).
>>
>> I hate it because it's graphical and much more awkward than Emacs (for
>> me :-)
>
> Emacs is great, and I love it for source code highliting, but I like a GUI
> or support for more formatted text when doing word processing.

I wrote "The Complete FreeBSD" with Emacs and groff.  The thought of
having to do it with a GUI word processor terrifies me.

>>> If I had my way, I'd like to see a [free] version of WP 5.1 (for
>>> DOS) ported over to some *nix with long file name and perhaps lpr
>>> and ghostscript support.  Rumor has it that was written in
>>> assembly. ;-)
>>
>> I can't believe that.  I used to write a lot in assembler in the old
>> days, but I don't know anybody who's written anything significant in
>> assembler on an -86 platform.
>
> Either way, WP 5.1 was one of the best written programs I've ever used.
> It was blazingly fast (on a 486 none the less), so I wouldn't doubt that a
> lot of it was written in assembly.  It even came with a little task
> swapper thing, that while not as powerful as DeskView, it certianly worked
> nicely and came with a nice bunch of integrated apps (calendar, mini
> database, spreadsheet, etc..). Those Mormons sure knew how to code DOS
> apps back then ;-)

Heh.  I gave up on WP with version 4.2 because of the number of bugs.
But don't expect assembler to bring that much performance
improvement.  I did some tests and found less than 5% CPU time
improvement over well-written C.  And remember, it ran under DOS, not
under Windows (didn't it?), so that would make a big difference.

Greg



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