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Date:      Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Jim Shankland <jas@flyingfox.com>
To:        hardware@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   ATX boards and restart after power failure
Message-ID:  <199810121950.MAA15990@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com>

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I know this has come up before, but I haven't found the discussion
in the archives.

We have been building systems based on the Tyan S1572 motherboard
(ATX form factor, TX chipset).  It turns out that when there's a
power failure, these systems stay down when power returns until
a human or other mammal presses the soft power-on button on the
front.  Furthermore, *this "feature" cannot be disabled*.  (On
the equivalent Asus board, the TX97-X, there's a BIOS option --
"AC Pwr Loss Restart" -- to disable the "feature".)

Now, I'm as much of a fan of power management as the next person, but
the mind-numbing stupidity of deliberately building a system that
can't be restarted without human intervention after a power failure
has me speechless (well, nearly).  Maybe FreeBSD and Linux are barely
blips on these people's radar screens; but have they ever heard of
Windows NT?  Or even Windows 95 users who want their machines to pick
up FAX calls around the clock?

Anyway, enough ranting.  My questions are:

* Is this likely to be a BIOS configuration item that, for whatever
reason, was deliberately omitted from the configuration screen?
I.e., is there a software-only solution to this problem (either we
poke the CMOS by hand, or look for a BIOS update)?

* Somebody (I think on this list) actually made a hardware mod
to their boxes to simulate "mammal pushed soft-power-on button"
when power came up.  If that person or anyone else has any thoughts
on how to go about this, I'd like to hear them.

* I'd love to hear more about which ATX Socket 7 boards are
similarly damaged.  So far, the data points I have are:

	-- Asus TX97-X:		OK
	-- Tyan S1572:		BROKEN
	-- Asus P5A:		BROKEN? (was told, haven't seen this myself)

The P5A is particularly disturbing, as it's the successor to the TX97-X,
with the Aladdin chipset.  If this is true, then Asus is making
negative progress.

Thanks in advance for any information.

Jim Shankland
Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc.

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