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Date:      Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:56:56 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@FreeBSD.ORG>, green@unixhelp.org
Cc:        mark@grondar.za, donegan@quick.net, scrappy@hub.org, dcs@newsguy.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   GPL (was: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required.)
Message-ID:  <19990101125656.C41841@freebie.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <199901010217.SAA20264@hub.freebsd.org>; from Jonathan M. Bresler on Thu, Dec 31, 1998 at 06:17:33PM -0800
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9812312056180.3621-100000@janus.syracuse.net> <199901010217.SAA20264@hub.freebsd.org>

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On Thursday, 31 December 1998 at 18:17:33 -0800, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:01:32 -0500 (EST)
>> From: Brian Feldman <green@unixhelp.org>
>>
>> The GPL works fine with FreeBSD, we have a src/gnu, if you don't remember. The
>> only major caveats with GPL are (as I see it) that:
>> 	1. We don't want GPL stuff in the kernel, hence the EXTREMELY few
>> 	   GPL drivers. (the GPL'd math emulator, and one other...)
>> 	2. GPL does not necessarily mean good. Not all the standard GNU
>> 	   utilities are good, nor even as good as the BSD predecessors.
>> The GPL does not prevent us from including exim because:
>> 	1. We keep the source open, and changes public.
>> 	2. We don't change the license (we can't), so we don't violate the GPL.
>>
>> If you can find any fault in including exim, state it.
>
>   can a company take FreeBSD, including exim, make modifications and
>   sell the result.  several companies to this.  the gnat box, nokia,
>   whistle and others.
>
>   if they can, i have misunderstood, that would be my fault.

The only way to have any kind of certainty about this would be a court
decision, and even that would be valid only for a certain geographical
area.  The way I see it, the decision is whether the GPL'd part of the
software is indivisible from the rest.  Otherwise you take FreeBSD,
including exim, make modifications and sell the result, explicitly
excluding exim from the part of the software which has been bought
(``also includes--*free*--exim and all those GNU packages you know and
love'').

Last September, Stallman was bitching about people like Caldera who
sell their product and put GNU utilities on the same CD-ROM.  But I
don't see anybody getting sued for this kind of thing, and I think
it's rather unlikely that they will.

Greg
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