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Date:      Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:54:46 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Mark Conway Wirt <mark@intrepid.net>
Cc:        freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   ccd and vinum (was: Introduction/ccd(4) Question)
Message-ID:  <19990123115446.A26886@freebie.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <19990122200141.A4461@intrepid.net>; from Mark Conway Wirt on Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 08:01:41PM -0500
References:  <19990122200141.A4461@intrepid.net>

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On Friday, 22 January 1999 at 20:01:41 -0500, Mark Conway Wirt wrote:
> Traditionally, we've run -- shall we say -- "monolithic" servers, i.e.
> $10,000, fully RAID-mirrored big servers for high availability.  Of
> course we'll continue to do so for mission critical applications like
> mail, but I'm also considering putting together some mid-ranged
> machines for other purposes.  For example, we have some customers who
> have expressed interest in on-line commerce, so I'd like to put a
> dedicated https server together, but I can't justify spending big
> bucks until I know that it can generate revenue.
>
> Enter ccd.

ccd is on its way out, not in.

> Granted if a disk fails you'll have some down-time as you swap in
> new drives a rebuild the mirrors, but at least it's minimal and you
> have much less chance of loosing data than say from restoring from
> tape.

In the cases I've seen, you need to reboot the machine, reconfigure
ccd, recover manually, reconfigure ccd, possibly reboot, and then
you're back up and running again.

>  I have a few questions about ccd though:
>
>   1) Are any of you ISP's using it, and it it stable?

I don't use it, but I believe it's relatively stable.

>   2) I assume that the root partition can't be ccd.  Correct? and

Correct.

>   3) If a disk in a mirror set fails, does the ccd fail immediately,
>      or can you unmount the device and rebuild gracefully?

ccd fails immediately.

On the other hand, vinum does the right thing: if a drive fails, it
will carry on running, and you can rebuild the volumes on line.  Take
a look at http://www.lemis.com/vinum.html.

Greg
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