Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:39:15 +1000 From: Stephen McKay <syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au> To: "Kenneth D. Merry" <ken@kdm.org> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au, blk@skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Subject: Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired! Message-ID: <199912110239.MAA01680@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au> In-Reply-To: <199912102344.QAA53269@panzer.kdm.org> from "Kenneth D. Merry" at "Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:44:16 -0700" References: <v0422080eb4772d6606b3@[195.238.25.55]> <199912102344.QAA53269@panzer.kdm.org>
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On Friday, 10th December 1999, "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: >Brad Knowles wrote... >> At 3:05 PM -0700 1999/12/10, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: >> >> > I agree that the CAM integration shouldn't be used as a precedent here. >> > I don't agree with your characterization of it as a "debacle", though. >> > >> > On the whole, we gained a whole lot and lost very little. >> >> Long-term, yes I believe we gained a lot. Short-term, what I >> recall having heard from some of the people who lived through it, >> well let's just say it was really ugly and nasty for a certain period >> of time. > >I don't think it was ugly and nasty at all. You're basing your opinions >on second hand hearsay. If you can produce specific examples of why it >was "really ugly and nasty", fine, but why not avoid making statements you >can't support? This must depend on your perspective. My first hand view is that it was ugly and nasty. This is because I lost support for hardware I was actively using (some temporarily, some permanently), and because I had no control over the pace of change. For a bunch of reasons, there was no way I could keep up (and that meant porting old drivers to keep up). It sure felt ugly to me. The unnecessary renaming of device files made it worse. But that shouldn't stop us from moving forward with the ata driver. I think that a small slowing of the pace, and a bit more understanding toward those with unusual hardware will help. And I support PHK's hard line stance (except for the rushed pace) toward making the kernel break for users of wd. It has to be so, or no one will move. The wd code will still be in the CVS tree for desperate people to revive to use, and to port the missing bits into the ata driver. Stephen. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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