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Date:      Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:57:48 -0800
From:      Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net>
To:        "Christopher S. Weimann" <cweimann@wallnet.com>
Cc:        Olaf Hoyer <ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de>, David Kelly <dkelly@hiwaay.net>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Why I Don't Do Linux
Message-ID:  <20000210185747.G17536@fw.wintelcom.net>
In-Reply-To: <20000210212329.A4718@wallnet.com>; from cweimann@wallnet.com on Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 09:23:29PM -0500
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* Christopher S. Weimann <cweimann@wallnet.com> [000210 18:52] wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2000 at 01:48:29AM +0100, Olaf Hoyer wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > With regards to Richard Stallman... I think I remember some lines where he
> > said that in a Lab he worked some party decided to take over all the
> > computing power, and he finally got it back by patching the kernel... He
> > said he'd not known how to do this on a Linux...
> > 
> 
> The following is from the info page for su.
> 
> 
> Why GNU `su' does not support the `wheel' group
> ===============================================
>  
> (This section is by Richard Stallman.)
> 	  
> Sometimes a few of the users try to hold total power over all the
> rest.  For example, in 1984, a few users at the MIT AI lab decided to
> seize power by changing the operator password on the Twenex system and
> keeping it secret from everyone else.  (I was able to thwart this coup
> and give power back to the users by patching the kernel, but I wouldn't
> know how to do that in Unix.)
> 			
> However, occasionally the rulers do tell someone.  Under the usual
> `su' mechanism, once someone learns the root password who sympathizes
> with the ordinary users, he or she can tell the rest.  The "wheel
> group" feature would make this impossible, and thus cement the power of
> the rulers.                                                                     
> 
> I'm on the side of the masses, not that of the rulers.  If you are
> used to supporting the bosses and sysadmins in whatever they do, you
> might find this idea strange at first.
>

Or any kind of accountability...

http://www.jwz.org/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.au

-Alfred


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