Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:02:35 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Bryant <jbryant@ppp-207-193-2-169.kscymo.swbell.net> To: hart@iserver.com (Paul Hart) Cc: kc5vdj@swbell.net, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange Spam Message-ID: <200002211802.MAA78734@ppp-207-193-2-169.kscymo.swbell.net> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0002211001460.84107-100000@anchovy.orem.iserver.com>
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In reply: > On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Jim Bryant wrote: > > > echelon is a great idea, but i honestly don't think the computing > > power exists to filter ALL internet traffic through a centralized > > location. > > It doesn't have to be ALL Internet traffic, just SELECTED Internet > traffic. Perhaps it's in the NSA's best interest for you to THINK it > can't be done. then you are admitting that the right-wing conspiracy theories are false. their conspiracy theories even go far as to say the system monitors every phone call made by anyone from anywhere... i said that i doubt if the computing power exists to filter at the scale of the conspiracy theories concerning echelon, much less the audio. and i stand by that. now targeted monitoring is legal, moral, and possible. there is a difference. > > i have worked in the telecom industry, and i can say that none of the > > systems at any place i've ever worked at were involved in any such > > activity. > > You don't actually think they'd let you know about it, do you? ;-) if the nsa had such systems colocated, you would know. ask anyone who has ever worked in a military CO how the keys are changed on secure lines. and we are talking several magnitudes of order above that. the right wing con-speerisay theories are adamant that ALL traffic is being filtered, as a recruitment tactic. keep in mind that such groups have spouted such paranoid crap since the 70's [possibly before] about indiscriminant mass-filtering of all telecom. also such right wing groups seem to get anal-probed by ET every other night, if you listen to everything they say. anyhow, this is a moot point. the NSA has a job to do, and targeted interception is within the bounds of their job, and it's a job that has to be done. there are domestic right-wing terrorist acts every day of the week these days [the majority don't make the news, but they do make the court records], and international terrorist incidents every day of the week elsewhere. this is america. you can say what you want, so long as the concepts being discussed are divorced from illegal action. once they cross the line, screw them. jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ KC5VDJ - HF to 23cm KC5VDJ@NW0I.#NEKS.KS.USA.NOAM kc5vdj@swbell.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ IC-706MkII - IC-T81A - HTX-202 - HTX-212 - HTX-404 - KPC3+ - PK-232MBX/DSP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message
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