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Date:      Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:37:46 -0600
From:      Gerd Knops <gerti@bitart.com>
To:        Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net>
Cc:        gerti-freebsds@bitart.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Random signal 9 (SIGKILL), please help!
Message-ID:  <20000329043747.3094.qmail@camelot.bitart.com>
In-Reply-To: <20000328204948.K21029@fw.wintelcom.net>
References:  <20000329041104.3028.qmail@camelot.bitart.com> <20000328204948.K21029@fw.wintelcom.net>

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Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> * Gerd Knops <gerti@bitart.com> [000328 20:36] wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a large software package running on a lot of machines and
> > several Unixes.
> >
> > Only on the FreeBSD systems I see that child processes occasionaly
> > get killed bya signal 9, and I just can't figure out why.
> >
> > Syslog does not give any indication. The machines do not swap (I
> > know processes mayget killed when the systems run out of swap
> > space). The times at which the processesare killed does seem to
> > be random, meaning it does not seem dome house keeping codethat
> > causes it.
> >
> > The processes are spawned from various daemons, and are killed
> > at different pointsin their existence, even when just barely
> > started and no resources to mention areconsumed yet.
> >
> > All processes run as root, so 'limit' should not be the cause.
> >
> > Is there anything else but the swapper that can trigger a 'signal
> > 9' to be sent toprocesses?
> >
> > The systems in question run a variety of versions, starting from
> > 3.2 Release to afairly recent (4 weeks) 3.4 stable.
> >
> > Any tips and ideas would be more than welcome.
>
> Please wrap lines at 70 characters.
>
> This is on all the FreeBSD systems?  This is really confusing I've
> _never_ heard of this happening, do you have any machines built
> with the same _exact_ hardware exibiting the same problems or not?
>
Nope, different hardware, all Intel CPUs, some Pentium Pro, some
Pentium II, ASUS and Gigabyte motherboards.

> Have you tried 4.0?  Without some sample code this is going to
> be very hard to reproduce.
>
The code is >50k lines of perl... No I have not tried 4.0 yet. And
I can not reproduce the problem either, it just randomly appears
at a very low rate. 23 machines running FreeBSD, and I see about 1
to 3 of those a day.

> Are you sure you aren't running out of process slots?  What is
> maxusers set to in the kernel?

64.

> How many processes typically run at the same time?
>
Varying, the busiest machine peaks at about 100 processes, but I
have seen it on machines running only 50 processes.

Thanks for responding!

Gerd


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