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Date:      Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:07:28 -0700
From:      "David O'Brien" <obrien@freebsd.org>
To:        Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>
Cc:        obrien@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh
Message-ID:  <20000406150728.A25607@dragon.nuxi.com>
In-Reply-To: <200004062150.PAA24400@nomad.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 03:50:49PM -0600
References:  <20000406134916.A23265@dragon.nuxi.com> <200004062121.PAA24162@nomad.yogotech.com> <20000406144502.A25177@dragon.nuxi.com> <200004062150.PAA24400@nomad.yogotech.com>

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On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 03:50:49PM -0600, Nate Williams wrote:
> > I don't want a fully functional workstation.  I want a root account that
> > is useful.
> 
> It's completely useful.  It has everything you need.  What does tcsh
> provide you that csh doesn't provide you that is needed for root?

Command line completion, and something other than bazzar "!^?-" history
substitution.  Shell evolution (and other command line tools) have shown
that either Emacs or Vi -style line editing is the way to go.  No one has
adopted the bazzar Csh history substitution syntax.


> > I am also tired of explaining to Linux users why our /bin/csh doesn't
> > have as nice a UI as tcsh.
> 
> That's a *really* bad reason to bring in csh, and you know it.

No I don't know it.  You obvioulsy haven't had to fight to keep research
labs using FreeBSD over Linux.


> PicoBSD is just *one* of the many, many, many uses for small embedded
> system.

List them.  These small embedded system developers can grab the old csh
sources from the Attic and import them into their own source tree.

> > As would Tcsh.
> 
> If both are adequate, choose the smaller of the two since it benefits
> more folks that way. ;)

I dissagree.  ;)    Perhaps a poll?
 
> > The need is our root's shell is crappy.
> 
> I disagree, but what's stopping you from using tcsh as root's shell?

It isn't part of the base system.

-- 
-- David    (obrien@NUXI.com)




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