Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:37:58 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net> To: Warner Losh <imp@harmony.village.org> Cc: Daniel Eischen <eischen@vigrid.com>, arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The whole libc thing. Message-ID: <20010215123758.L3274@fw.wintelcom.net> In-Reply-To: <200102152034.f1FKYoW63859@harmony.village.org>; from imp@harmony.village.org on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 01:34:50PM -0700 References: <20010215101817.G3274@fw.wintelcom.net> <200102151536.f1FFaeE77660@billy-club.village.org> <Pine.SUN.3.91.1010215125446.7929A-100000@pcnet1.pcnet.com> <20010215101817.G3274@fw.wintelcom.net> <200102152034.f1FKYoW63859@harmony.village.org>
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* Warner Losh <imp@harmony.village.org> [010215 12:35] wrote: > In message <20010215101817.G3274@fw.wintelcom.net> Alfred Perlstein writes: > : * Daniel Eischen <eischen@vigrid.com> [010215 10:15] wrote: > : > On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Warner Losh wrote: > : > > In message <Pine.SUN.3.91.1010215091552.2023A@pcnet1.pcnet.com> Daniel Eischen writes: > : > > : Let's just bump the libraries and be done with it. > : > > > : > > That's *ALL* the libraries, even in ports? > : > > : > Hmm, perhaps not then. It would be nice to get rid of __sF; if we > : > don't do it now, will we ever? > : > : I still think that no matter how painful we should just loose __sF > : in -current, afaik the only thing depending on it is the std* > : macros. > > Yes. That's the "only" thing. But *EVERYTHING* depends on those > macros. Just about every single library has at least one > fprintf(stderr, "Something bad happened"); in it. We have to be smart > about how we transition away from __sF. If we aren't, we badly break > binary compatibility. > > We all want to get rid of it, but the way Peter did it is *WRONG* and > we need to retrench and do it *RIGHT*. OK? We'll still have libc.so that contains __sF for old apps, and the newer stuff will be less brain damaged. We're only breaking applications for those of us running -current. I'd say a large cross posted 'HEADS-UP (we mean it!)' would be enough. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message
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