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Date:      Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:29:16 -0700
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
Cc:        Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: SSHD Problems...
Message-ID:  <20010405052916.A74800@xor.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <000701c0bd93$f3a6a200$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>; from tedm@toybox.placo.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:47:51PM -0700
References:  <20010404044643.A60142@xor.obsecurity.org> <000701c0bd93$f3a6a200$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>

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On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:47:51PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>   I think you missed entirely the point of my rant.  Obviously
> you come from the school that believes that you make something
> better by attaching more crap to it.  This is a shame because

Yes. Uh. Obviously. Right.

>   The security people don't come from this philosophy.  They
> come from the philosophy that the more difficult it is to
> get into something, the more secure it is.  Since they feel that
> the more secure that something is, the _better_ it is, their
> idea of the ultimately good UNIX operating system is one that
> will take you the rest of your life and a doctorate in mathematics
> to figure out how to get into.  They are already well on the way to
> making OpenBSD into a BSD UNIX that is impossible for ordinary
> people to use, and FreeBSD is next on the list.

I tried to figure this out for a few minutes, then gave up.  It's no
harder than it ever was to get into a FreeBSD system, so I'm
concluding you've just fabricated this argument from thin air to try
and support your intended position.

> Don't you see a disconnection from reality here?  I know I do.

No, I see someone who is bitter that they were outwitted by a text
file which tells them the step by step procedures for upgrading, and
had this person followed the simple directions contained therein,
they would have never had a reason to invent things to bitch and moan
about.

You screwed up your FreeBSD upgrade.  Admit it, and move on with your
life.

Kris

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