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Date:      Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:33:02 -0500
From:      Andrew Hesford <ajh3@chmod.ath.cx>
To:        Kal Torak <kaltorak@quake.com.au>
Cc:        Mark Hittinger <bugs@freebsd.netcom.com>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Games on FreeBSD (was:Re: nVidia Cards /w FreeBSD (3D Acceleration))
Message-ID:  <20010411233302.A8789@cec.wustl.edu>
In-Reply-To: <3AD52A10.7997F8EA@quake.com.au>; from kaltorak@quake.com.au on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 02:07:44PM %2B1000
References:  <200104120134.UAA20957@freebsd.netcom.com> <3AD52A10.7997F8EA@quake.com.au>

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On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 02:07:44PM +1000, Kal Torak wrote:
> > After people address their graphics cards, they will probably have to address
> > their cpu.  I'm suspicious that a 1.x gz cpu may not be enough to do the job
> > right.  It appears to me that the game manufacturers of these high end
> > games may have to begin (if they aren't already) considering using dual
> > cpu motherboards and some sort of OS with threads.
> > 
> > I am saying that Win98/2k may be at that point where the high end game
> > developers are forced to leave Win* behind.  We ought to make sure that
> > we can go along with that move.  It strikes me that in such a resource
> > intensive and performance intensive environment we would be able to provide
> > a more stable situation than our competition :-)
> 
> Very true, games like tribes2 really need a more powerfull O/S...
> I am currently having to play it under winblows, and its bad!
> 
> I have a 1.1ghz t-bird and geforce256 ddr.. Yet still are a lot
> of performance problems mainly to do with windows handeling of
> memory (or not handeling)... Forget playing more than 3 games in
> a row without restarting...
> 
> They might move to a more stable and better preforming O/S in the
> future, it will be a slowish proccess though, and the way things
> are currently linux will be what they move to... Thats still good
> for us, but it would be better if they moved totaly to FreeBSD :))
> 
> Ahh yes... I would love never to boot windows again...
> 
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I don't know... I've never been much of a gamer. Prboom and quakeforge
do me just fine, and they both work fine on a PIII-733 with any video
card you can imagine. Remember, DOOM was designed in the 386/486 days,
and quake, well, I think the shareware CD folder says system
requirements are a 100MHz pentium.

Personally, I buy ATI. I've heard that 3D support is lousy, but I'm not
using 3D. All my life, simple, cheap ATI cards based on the Mach chipset
have worked with XFree86 on Linux and FreeBSD, and I venture to say the
other BSDs also. When I went dual head, what do you think I bought? A
$50 PCI Xpert 98, because I knew it would work with XFree86 4.0.1. My
previous PC had an Xpert 98D, which worked beautifully.

Don't ask what I have for a primary card, though. I hate to admit it,
but it's an i810 soldered-in. Terrible, I know, but the PC was cheap and
I was short on cash. Support in Linux was mildly acceptable, and it
works in FreeBSD, but only with XFree86 4.0.1. So far, greater versions
crash when I switch consoles.

Well, that's my solution to the UNIX gaming problem: don't play games. I
wonder if WINE will run Flight Simulatory or Fury^3? Those games weren't
so bad, and they bring back memories. I thought I heard WINE was getting
DirectX support...

-- 
Andrew Hesford
ajh3@chmod.ath.cx

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