Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:47:15 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" <obrien@freebsd.org> To: Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Cc: jmallett@xMach.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Query: How to tell if Microsoft is using BSD TCP/IP code? Message-ID: <20010615234715.D38334@dragon.nuxi.com> In-Reply-To: <20010615144235I.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@osd.bsdi.com on Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 02:42:35PM -0700 References: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0106151659470.8779-100000@Aphex.NewGold.NET> <Pine.BSO.4.33.0106151702350.8779-100000@Aphex.NewGold.NET> <20010615144235I.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
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Doesn't any one remember Netiquette these days and trim what they are replying to?? [ thread left below to see how bad this is getting.. ] On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 02:42:35PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > This is a good reference, but sadly it only really refers to "the > sockets paradigm as first popularized by BSD", which means they could > have followed the API without touching a single line of BSD code. > > To reiterate: What I'm looking for is some true, hard evidence that > Microsoft has used BSD code in any of their operating systems. A > number of people have sent me anecdotal evidence and "I heard from a > friend" type stories, but sadly I cannot use any of that. What I need > is tangible proof - the people working on this story have already > heard all the stories and now what they're looking for is the kind of > confirmation that can be cited and independently verified. I can't > name names, but suffice it to say that it will be a small (and very > visible) coup for us if we can help them prove this. Thanks. > > - Jordan > > From: "Joseph A. Mallett" <jmallett@xMach.org> > Subject: Re: Query: How to tell if Microsoft is using BSD TCP/IP code? > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:06:23 -0400 (EDT) > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/psdk/winsock/apistart_9g1e.htm mentions > > BSD, not sure if is direct enough. > > > > I'm downloading the SDK right now so I can grepmonkey through the latest > > and greatest headers, etc. > > > > HTH > > > > -- > > [ Joseph Mallett <jmallett@xMach.org> ] [ http://srcsys.org ] > > [ xMach Core Team xMach: Proactively Unbloated Microkernel BSD ] > > [ FreeBSD, NetBSD, & xMach User; (Obj)C(++) Coder ] [ http://xMach.org ] > > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Joseph A. Mallett wrote: > > > > > Do you happen to have any of their Winsock propoganda handy (specifically > > > developer materials or winsock.h header file)? I know for a fact that they > > > have said repetedly that some of it was taken directly from Berkely. I'm > > > just not sure where... I'm going to start digging through my stuff to see > > > if I can find anything. > > > > > > -- > > > [ Joseph Mallett <jmallett@xMach.org> ] [ http://srcsys.org ] > > > [ xMach Core Team xMach: Proactively Unbloated Microkernel BSD ] > > > [ FreeBSD, NetBSD, & xMach User; (Obj)C(++) Coder ] [ http://xMach.org ] > > > > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > > > > > I've had several marketing types approach me recently for details as > > > > to whether or not Microsoft was using the BSD TCP/IP stack and/or user > > > > utilities, and though it's always been "common knowledge" in the > > > > community that they were, when I set about to "prove" it I found it to > > > > be less easy than I'd thought. I've strings'd various binaries and > > > > DLLs in my copy of Windows 98 but have yet to find anything resembling > > > > proof. Does anyone out there have any details or discovery techniques > > > > for confirming or disproving this assertion either way? It would be > > > > very useful (for us) from a PR standpoint to know. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > - Jordan > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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