Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:35:57 +0200 From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" <steveo@eircom.net> To: "Jason Watkins" <jwatkins@firstplan.com> Cc: joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Staying *really stable* in FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010623103557.547f67c5.steveo@eircom.net> In-Reply-To: <JBEOKPCEMKJLMJAKBECCGENLDBAA.jwatkins@firstplan.com> References: <15155.56039.812973.488190@zircon.zircon.seattle.wa.us> <JBEOKPCEMKJLMJAKBECCGENLDBAA.jwatkins@firstplan.com>
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:09:58 -0700
"Jason Watkins" <jwatkins@firstplan.com> wrote:
JW> I react rather badly to some of your comments concerning the usability of
JW> FreeBSD. Our goal *should* be a simple and turnkey system, or at the least,
That would be a RELEASE. They are usually pretty good at being just that IMHO.
JW> I mean better equip the commiters. Such things are possible, and done every
JW> day in the software world. Many aspects of code review and regression
JW> testing can be automated. The time of volenteers in the committer group is
The time it takes to set up good automated regression testing is amazing, it
is also a good way to perpetuate bugs. More importantly such testing is nearly useless
in the face of new functionality, or timing and compatability issues. The general quality
of -stable indicates that pre commit testing is done rather better than average in the
industry. Remember that in most of the industry the only people who see software at the
equivalent of -stable are *developers*. It is not unusual for software to emerge from
several weeks of regression, integration, acceptance and soak testing into the field
only to get bug reports in the first week of real use.
JW> Again, what I see as the problem is -stable isn't as stable as some people
Frankly you are dreaming if you think -stable can get much better without
slowing down a lot, at which point you hit the security fix branch which never contains
any feature that hasn't survived a Beta test. Hammer on the Beta and RC phases to improve
the quality of this.
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