Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:35:14 -0700 From: Mike Smith <msmith@freebsd.org> To: Matt Dillon <dillon@earth.backplane.com> Cc: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>, Kazutaka YOKOTA <yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp>, Sean Kelly <smkelly@zombie.org>, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD's aggressive keyboard probe/attach Message-ID: <200108112135.f7BLZEb01968@mass.dis.org> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 11 Aug 2001 12:54:38 PDT." <200108111954.f7BJscE19607@earth.backplane.com>
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> :Finally, most keyboard/mouse/monitor switches don't work with
> :FreeBSD;
This is actually not true. I'd doubt that you've even tried many of them.
> :for example, the Belkin console extender that uses the
> :ethernet cable doesn't work at all (it's the best one out there),
> :and the local wiring (non-ethernet version) of the Belkin OmniView
> :switches work if the FreeBSD mouse/keyboard is selected at boot
> :time, so that the aggressive probe/attach can satisfy itself.
The Belkin switch is hardly the "best" out there; it's also the only KVM
switch that I'm aware of that had problems with FreeBSD, and even then
only because their QC is so poor that they managed to ship the product
with the ROMs _reversed_.
Not that it needs stating, but I've used FreeBSD with a wide range of KVM
switches over the years; I'm writing this through an 8-port Cybex, for
example.
> :Belkin went out of its way to support FreeBSD specifically,
> :actually: their firmware version 1.9 fixes the local wiring
> :switches, so that they can pass FreeBSD's aggressive probe, even
> :if the FreeBSD mouse/keyboard is _not_ selected.
Gosh. How painful that we actually expect the hardware to behave like,
well, hardware.
> :For PC hardware, FreeBSD should use the BIOS (it can, now: the
> :boot loader does, with the caveat that old style keyboards can
> :be used, but are not autodetected properly by some BIOS; see the
> :serial console notes for the /boot.config "-P" flag in the FreeBSD
> :handbook); for the Alpha and other hardware, it should use the
> :local firmware (obviously).
You are smoking crack again. "Use the BIOS" for what? Keyboard input?
Get real.
> This has been a pet peeve of mine too. It is an unbelievably annoying
> trait of FreeBSD (the keyboard problem), and the mouse problem is also
> quite annoying.
"The keyboard problem". "The mouse problem". "The Jewish problem".
Yeesh.
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