Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:13:18 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" <fullermd@over-yonder.net> To: Freddie Cash <fcash@bigfoot.com> Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Taming Netscape Navigator? Message-ID: <20020301201318.C3880@over-yonder.net> In-Reply-To: <3C7FB956.18428.510B414@localhost>; from fcash@bigfoot.com on Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 05:24:38PM -0800 References: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0203011634360.2796-100000@pilchuck.reedmedia.net> <3C7FB956.18428.510B414@localhost>
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On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 05:24:38PM -0800 I heard the voice of
Freddie Cash, and lo! it spake thus:
> begin Somewhere around 16:41 on March 01, 2002, Jeremy wrote:
> > Can anyone share some experiences or advice on how to control
> > netscape?
This is one reason I have a SMP workstation :P
There's no real file I/O happening (unless you're really short on RAM and
thrashing the swap), it's just being painfully slow about calculating out
the table.
> pkg_deinstall netscape
> pkg_add -r linux-opera
Ugh.
Y'know....
<rant target="webbrowsers">
It sure would be swell if somebody would come out with a webbrowser that
doesn't suck.
Nutscrape 4.x is a festering pile of donkey turds. It's also still my
normal browser, because it does some things that no other browser will
DO.
Opera is nifty. Pretty clean, reasonably efficient. The stupid
all-windows-in-one UI must die a fiery death though. It works great if
you've got 2 or 3 open. It's useless when you get more than 5 or 6, both
because it becomes impossible to find the one you want quickly, and
because Opera gets draggingly slow as you open more. Opera 6.x is even
SLOWER, and non-trivially buggier, so I'm stuck on 5.
Mozilla is awesome and I REALLY wish they'd get it sorted out right so I
could switch to it. It's bloated, it's slow, but it's THOROUGH. It's
not *THAT* much more bloated, after all, than NS 4, in the final
analysis, especially considering how much better the rendering et al is.
It's a lot slower rendering big tables (like 10 vs. 30 minutes, for some
*BIG* tables I've passed through 'em), and isn't near as snappy overall,
but I'm sure part of that it just the result of my
no-longer-quite-as-spiffy-as-it-once-was dual PPro-200/512k.
But the single biggest thing keeping me with NS4? PROGRESS INDICATOR.
Earth to browser developers; this is *NOT* a flashy whiz-bang feature
that takes years of development and debugging! "X% of ABC{bytes,kb,mb}
at D k/sec (E seconds remaining". Opera's got that nice loaded:total
indicator, which I'd like (actually, I'd like it in 3-parts, not 2).
Opera DOES have, at least, an indicator of the size loaded and the rate
it's coming down, but they only work less than half the time, and often
just freeze themselves partway through a download (plus they aren't that
useful if it doesn't give you at least a total size expected, to say
nothing of a quick off-the-cuff estimate). Mozilla just has a gray bar
that doesn't tell you much of anything.
Konqueror and friends just don't cut it at all; they're neat, sure, but
they don't render as well as Opera/Mozilla, they're not really any
faster, they're buggier, and they STILL don't have a progress indicator.
</rant>
*phew*
--
Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net
Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@futuresouth.com
Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/
"The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I
haven't figured out how to light the middle yet"
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