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Date:      Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:07:02 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org>
To:        "Karsten W. Rohrbach" <karsten@rohrbach.de>
Cc:        security@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-02:21.tcpip
Message-ID:  <20020419145828.K17023-100000@zoot.corp.yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020419221445.B84400@mail.webmonster.de>

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On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote:

> i just wanted to point out that not everyone in the community is a coder
> demigod, but a lot of people come up with good ideas. you're perfectly
> right with that statement above, because code simply doesn't write
> itself.

	Personally, I fall cleanly into the non "coder demigod" camp. I'm
functional in C, but I doubt that I'll ever attain the heights that many
in the project have. But that never stopped me from contributing. I
contributed what skills I do have for a long time before I got a commit
bit. Nowadays, I maintain some ports, clean up PR stuff when I can,
twiddle /etc... submit mostly aesthetic 3 line patches to things I care
about... basically, a lot of the piddly stuff that has to happen in order
to keep things functional. I also keep threatening to write some
documentation, but never seem to find the time.

	My point is that whatever your level of experience, you CAN
contribute to the project if you want to. Even if your only contribution
is ideas for improvements that are based on your level of experience,
because we need that too. I long ago forgot what it was like to be a new
FreeBSD user, even though I still focus on interface design because it's
something I have some skill/interest in. What you(pl.) CAN'T do, is sit on
the sidelines and log grenades in periodically about how the project is
not responsive to your needs. Both becase that's not how things work, and
because it's not true. We DO have a response. The response is, do it your
self and quit whining about it. :)

> and, yes, in my spare time i am currently experiencing quite a steep
> learning curve in understanding netbsd's/freebsd's make system, and
> emacs,

	Eeekk.. stop learning emacs asap, before it corrupts your brain.
:)

> >          Do YOU Yahoo!?
>
> no, i google ;-)

	That's cool, they are one of our partners. :)

-- 
   "We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power.
      And in this great conflict, ...  we will see freedom's victory."
	- George W. Bush, President of the United States
          State of the Union, January 28, 2002

         Do YOU Yahoo!?



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