Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:14:45 +0200 From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" <karsten@rohrbach.de> To: Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org> Cc: security@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-02:21.tcpip Message-ID: <20020419221445.B84400@mail.webmonster.de> In-Reply-To: <20020419114336.E11273-100000@master.gorean.org>; from DougB@FreeBSD.org on Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 11:45:28AM -0700 References: <20020419170909.F78386@mail.webmonster.de> <20020419114336.E11273-100000@master.gorean.org>
next in thread | previous in thread | raw e-mail | index | archive | help
--neYutvxvOLaeuPCA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doug Barton(DougB@FreeBSD.org)@2002.04.19 11:45:28 +0000: [...] > > doug, the "lines of code" argument does not apply to people supplying > > ideas, or experience from operations. take me for example, i am not much > > of a c coder, so i see it as a contribution to the world _not_ to put > > my sources out, them being pretty crappy and likely to screw up things > > badly. OTOH, i answer questions on the mailing lists and contribute my > > ideas to the community, all originating from my work expeieence with > > freebsd and other systems, you get the point. >=20 > Oh, I agree completely. The problem is, at the end of the day, > this is a volunteer organization. If no one volunteers to make your idea a > reality, you're pretty well stuck in do it yourself mode.... unless your > idea of fun is to sit around and wait for the topic to come up and make a > nuisance of yourself over and over again. i just wanted to point out that not everyone in the community is a coder demigod, but a lot of people come up with good ideas. you're perfectly right with that statement above, because code simply doesn't write itself.=20 and, yes, in my spare time i am currently experiencing quite a steep learning curve in understanding netbsd's/freebsd's make system, and emacs, and some more minor fundamental things that have to do with "hard" code. i did my cs studies in darmstadt, quite some 10 years ago, and i do try very hard to acquire the knowledge to be able to play with the build system, as a first step. the code i write for stuff i need, on a daily basis, is mostly in python, just as a sidenote, so you hopefully understand my deficiencies in reading and writing C code or makefiles. as it comes to committing code to the project, you already read my statement, on how i see my C proficiencies. i once made an apache module to drive netscape 3.x remote configuration and isp service registration. this was the only compiled language project in _years_ (and i was glad when it ran in production and we were finished with it). another small tool is /usr/ports/sysutils/timelimt, by peter pentchev, where i hacked some docs and contributed some ideas, but i must admit that in this little program, my language knowledge increased quite a bit, but not sufficiently to modify os or userland code, or create new programs (in C). i guess the comparison of your perspective as a proficient (i hope that's the right word) C coder to mine as a systems administrator is like you would sit down read the handbook and translate it to a language you do not speak (for example thai), chapter by chapter. it's simply a steep learning curve keeping a lot of folks from being a guru, but that's not really a bad thing. when it comes to personal experience to share with the community - i mean system administration questions, operations knowledge, etc. - you know that i always shared and will share that openly. i also provide a complete cvsup server in .de (which is not listed at the moment, btw.)=20 because i think that this is one way to give something back to the=20 community. > Do YOU Yahoo!? no, i google ;-) regards, /k --=20 > Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open > sewer and die. --Mel Brooks KR433/KR11-RIPE -- WebMonster Community Founder -- nGENn GmbH Senior Techie http://www.webmonster.de/ -- ftp://ftp.webmonster.de/ -- http://www.ngenn.n= et/ GnuPG 0x2964BF46 2001-03-15 42F9 9FFF 50D4 2F38 DBEE DF22 3340 4F4E 2964 B= F46 My mail is GnuPG signed -- Unsigned ones are bogus -- http://www.gnupg.org/ Please do not remove my address from To: and Cc: fields in mailing lists. 1= 0x --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8wHq1M0BPTilkv0YRAjdRAJ9O5y/jAo2dq/x/0LR6o/GoYIEDogCfZpac qJuhpNBtfKsVqsYXauLEWGs= =nPeW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message
Want to link to this message? Use this URL: <https://mail-archive.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20020419221445.B84400>