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Date:      Thu, 16 May 2002 11:52:07 -0700
From:      "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Ruslan Ermilov <ru@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src Makefile.inc1 src/gnu/lib Makefile src/gnu/usr.bin Makefile src/gnu/usr.bin/cc Makefile
Message-ID:  <20020516115207.B67791@dragon.nuxi.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020516103848.GA65503@sunbay.com>; from ru@FreeBSD.org on Thu, May 16, 2002 at 01:38:48PM %2B0300
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On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 01:38:48PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote:
> > Yes I did look at the diffs.  What C++ compiler do we have that is named 
> > "c++" other than the system one?  Certainly none of the GCC ports I
> > 
> Obviously I just added _more_ variants for the external C++ compiler.

Tell me which compiler?  I don't want "in theory", I want "real world".

1. You are backing out my changeds from only 5 days ago w/o asking me to
   explain them.  
   
2. The bit you show as an example is only part of your change.  You
   totally backed out some of my changes:

   +# $FreeBSD: /c/ncvs/src/Makefile.inc1,v 1.277 2002/05/15 16:29:44 ru Exp $
   -.if ${CXX} == "c++"
   -NO_CXX=        yes
   -.endif

   +# $FreeBSD: /c/ncvs/src/gnu/lib/Makefile,v 1.37 2002/05/15 16:29:45 ru Exp $
   -.if ${CXX:T} == "c++"
   -NO_CXX=        yes
   -.endif

   +# $FreeBSD: /c/ncvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/Makefile,v 1.30 2002/05/15 16:29:45 ru Exp $
   [you removed c++, c++filt, and doc from the build]
    

I do not think you understand the issues here.  Since discussing things
is now dangerous as hell around here.  I am going to simply ask core to
have you back out your commit under "Big List of Rules" #6.

 
> > > Makefile.inc1 takes care of building "gperf" in bootstrap-tools, so
> > > in a normal bootstrapping sequence no special hacks are necessary.
> > 
> > Gperf is written in C++.  If you have no system C++ compiler and CXX is
> > set to its stock value; how are you going to build gperf?  We experience
> > this in the Sparc64 world where we never had a 2.95 system compiler.
> 
> If that's the case, you want to cross-compile the sparc64 world (or only
> gperf) using say i386 version of the sparc64 cross-compiler.  

How is that going to help??  A C++ support libraries that does not exist
on the i386 or sparc64 natively, will some how pop out of the build?


> I fail to
> see how the check of whether "gperf" is in the PATH (the check is as
> simple as for kldxref(8) in sys/modules/Makefile) helps you to proceed.

Because if gperf is not in the path, cc1plus should not be built.
I could just disconnect cc1plus from the build, but then it could
atrophy.


> "Cross compiling is next step to porting", to quote Terry.

We are *ALREADY* self hosting.  On your i386 box "rm /usr/bin/gperf",
remove any CXX settings you have; and try to build world.

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