Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:22:17 +0000 (GMT) From: attila! <attila@hun.org> To: CURRENT <current@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com>, leimy2k@mac.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 as a desktop 'failure' report Message-ID: <20020917012217.ijdM73487@hun.org> In-Reply-To: <6C3D95B5-C8AC-11D6-AF56-0003937E39E0@mac.com> References: <20020914173520.G91535-100000@mail.allcaps.org>
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OK, I know this dates me, but I started with 'twm' as a window manager in 1983 when X was on V10 --on a prototype DEC GTX box with a 20" 24bit color monitor. Didn't have a lot of graphics other than what I wrote using Athena widgets. First, I still use 'twm' with a dual line 16 wide icon bar using 40 pixels across the bottom of the screen. I don't need pictures, the words are just fine and I don't have icons all over the screen. A picture is not worth a thousand words. Second, I have been continuously tracking -CURRENT since before it cut to 3.0-CURRENT --on my desktop. Sure, there have been a couple anxious moments, but I only needed the fixit disk once in all those years. My server also runs -CURRENT. Third, I run at least two full X sessions depending on how many projects I'm playing with at a time and swap whenever on a 1600 x 1280 screen. Lots of Xemacs, Netscape and some GIMP and SOffice --the only thing which crashes is Netscape and that's almost invariably due to crap code from WinSleaze ASP generators. Use the KISS principle; if you need it to look like Windows, run Windows and put up with their viri and crashes. Anything Microsoft has been banned here since before there even was a Microsoft product. Hard-nosed? Not really, just committed. My five kids learned on BSD. Even government "retrainables" can be converted if KISS is followed (been there, done that). -- I don't need your attitude. I have one of my own. ---------- Original Message ---------- Sent: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:09:52 -0500 by leimy2k@mac.com + On Saturday, September 14, 2002, at 07:40 PM, Andrew P. Lentvorski + wrote: + + > On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: + > + >> But we need a window manager- let's build gnome2! That worked- but, + >> haha, gnome2 refused to run because it failed to be able to do NFS + >> locking on my NFS mounted (on a Solaris 8 server) home directory. Oh, + >> well that's really not going to cut it now, is it.... Oh, well, let's + >> live with plain sawfish until we sort this one out... + > + > Please report this to the Gnome folks. Given the state of NFS + > filelocking + > on *any* open source system (they are all broken in various ways-this + > includes Linux and *BSD), requiring fully working NFS file locking on a + > widespread windowing system is not a good idea. + > + + Yes, the only successful NFS file locking I have ever seen on linux is + on NFS v3 + and it must be mounted with the "noac" [no attribute caching] option. + + I am sure that option degrades performance pretty badly. + + Give it a shot... see if it works + + + > In addition, I would bet that they'll probably point you to some + > command-line flag which disables that file locking. + > + > -a To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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