Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:34:06 +0100 From: Paul Robinson <paul@iconoplex.co.uk> To: Samy Al Bahra <samy@kerneled.com> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Drawing graphics on terminal Message-ID: <20030619133406.GI20204@iconoplex.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1055948691.92188.10.camel@beastie.freebsd.local> References: <200306162015.06836.nakal@web.de> <20030616151024.0616e1e4.eaja@erols.com> <20030616191852.GA52694@ussenterprise.ufp.org> <20030618100125.GP20204@iconoplex.co.uk> <1055948691.92188.10.camel@beastie.freebsd.local>
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On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 06:23:42PM +0300, Samy Al Bahra wrote: > A plugin-based architecture will allow us to choose between various UIs > (ncurses, QT, etc...). Yup. Trick is to make the plugins as user-definable as possible. The trick here (and i've said this elsewhere, probably uk-users) is that an OEM should find it easier to ship customer FreeBSD boxes than Linux or Windows. That way, you get more users. More users, more visibility. More visibility, more sponsorship for employing people full-time on FBSD. More people, more code. More code, better OS. Better OS, more users. Hey, isn't this where we came in? I'm just confused people are so hostile towards this... fair enough, it's time to stop talking and start coding, but even so... Anyway, I'm rambling, but yes, highly modular, highly flexible, very lightweight in it's core but extendable. It's the way to go. > Just as YaST, a libsysinstall can be provided to provide a standard UI > API for applications to use + various UI plugins (ncurses, QT, GTK, Xaw, > you name it) and configuration modules (users, network, ports, etc...). > Though, before we all get excited about the possibilities of such an > installer, what's happening with libh? Isn't it supposed to deal with > all of sysintall's short-comings? All I see now is a lot of talk and no > code, maybe such discussion should go to libh's mailing list (where we > can talk design there)? Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead. This installer is dead. It is not pineing for the fd0s. :-) YaST might be your route, it's not mine. It's cool, but I'm going to work on something.. different. I'll give a heads up on it if you want to see when the design is done, but I can't see live code coming out as production ready until sometime around August 2004, with rough betas heading out of my machine sometime around May 2004 - there's a lot of other stuff that needs to be done before then.... Designs will be done probably before September this year, depending on what happens this weekend in Cardiff at the uk-users 10th birthday bash. > marcus@ is working on this for GNOME's case ATL. A new splash screen for > GNOME2 will be there soon (bunch of backgrounds hopefully soon). I > really do believe all interested artists should come and work together > to finish off a whole FreeBSD art pack (for use by KDE and GNOME2). We > should look around for them, maybe create a mailing list of some sort > for them and get them to work together. I think getting a focused group together who want to get FBSD onto the desktop would be a good idea. At the moment, there is lots of talk about installers, package management, etc. including this thread, clogging up either -hackers or -chat. It's time to move off. I propose somebody, somewhere, sets up freebsd-user-friendly@freebsd.org where the more UI centric and "working towards user friendliness" discussions can occur. -- Paul Robinson
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