Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:10:01 -0800 From: Allan Bowhill <abowhill@blarg.net> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Personal patches Message-ID: <20040107001001.GA65133@kosmos.my.net> In-Reply-To: <20040106233751.A32387-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> References: <20040106202408.GC63867@kosmos.my.net> <20040106233751.A32387-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee>
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On 0, Narvi <narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee> wrote:
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:On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Allan Bowhill wrote:
:
:> On 0, Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be> wrote:
:> :At 5:56 PM +0100 2004/01/06, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote:
:> :
:> :>> [...] just remember that a meeting of peoples
:> :>> who disagree, who are different, who ... is pretty much undeniab=
ly
:> :>> one of the things that does make America great.
:> :>
:> :> America is great?
:> :
:> : No. It has been turned into a police state.
:> :
:> : Prepare to be fingerprinted.
:>
:> Few U.S. citizens haven't been.
:
:you find it reasonable? Besides, it in no way counters the police state
:part, and rather enodorses it.
How so? There is nothing illegitmate, arbitrary, illegal, secret or
repressive about requiring fingerprints and photos of visitors who come
across our international borders. It is necessary record-keeping.
{Personally I hope genetic fingerprinting ultimately replaces this
system. This method of identification has proven indispensable in
catching criminals who would otherwise have gone unnoticed. It works.
Take Gary Ridegeway for example, who may have killed over 60 women in
Washington State. He would never have confessed (and may never have been
arrested) if the police could not confront him with a solid death
penalty case, supported by genetic evidence. Because the police were
able to confront him with this, he plea-bargained out of death in exchange
for leading the police to his victim's gravesites.)
:> Why should extranationals have more privilige?
:
:Mainly because they are extranationals?=20
Again, why should we trust?
No organization (or nation) with plenty to lose will base it's practices
on institutionalized trust. It's always institutionalized mistrust that
makes it possible to conduct business. Like with banks.
:Also, they are way less likely to
:commit any crime than those already living inside the US.
It's anybody's guess without statistics. But it's peripheral to the=20
reasons for this type of security.
The point is to identify and catch people posing as travelers who
are known to be terrorists, or associated with terrorism. If the
system helps law enforcement catch other people on the lam, then
more power to it.
--=20
Allan Bowhill
abowhill@blarg.net
Etymology, n.:
Some early etymological scholars came up with derivations that
were hard for the public to believe. The term "etymology" was formed
from the Latin "etus" ("eaten"), the root "mal" ("bad"), and "logy"
("study of"). It meant "the study of things that are hard to swallow."
-- Mike Kellen
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