Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:43:09 +0200 From: "Julian Stacey" <jhs@berklix.org> To: matt@ixsystems.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD jobs Message-ID: <200905151443.n4FEh9Tf027120@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: Your message "Thu, 14 May 2009 11:19:38 PDT." <9740caf0905141119o193eda9h1bde4dbbb8f8645e@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Matt, > > Several suckers have already enquired to that firm. =A0Hope we might get > > some Free labour to donate time to Freebsd, Not Stock holders ! > > Hi Julian, > Internships are an accepted way for a high school or university In America. America imported unpaid apprenticeships & indentured servitude (time limited slavery) from Europe/Britain centuries ago. Britain dumped both Long since. (Germany still has some interns eg in theatre, last described as a rip off). Condolences that the "Land of the free" retains medieval European intern practice. > it is clearly stated that it is a non-paid internship in the post. Not clear at start. The word "intern" may be clear warning of No Money in American dialect, but to British eyes, it was a strange word out of context & ignored. ( Monika Lewinsky news first brought the quaint old fashioned American word & concept of Intern back across the Atlantic, but in English, Intern just means certain some workers ). Posting near end had: "San Francisco" Posting in final line had: "This is an unpaid position!" Posting should have started "USA/ San Francisco - Unpaid job" to efficiently enable global readership of jobs@ to delete unread, but American-centric censors of global jobs@ messed up as often, > I imagine that there would be some interested students or unemployed > people that would love to work with Alfred on a project at Juniper a > few hours a week in their spare time, for free. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-jobs/2009-May/000652.html "more than 2 hours/day" That's 1/4 or more of a full time job - _Unpaid_ ! No offer of money, food, transport, training courses, books, hardware to keep. It undermines labour rates for all BSD workers. The jobs@freebsd.org censors blocked my polite post people instead work free for freebsd.org > It will look great on > a resume, they will probably learn some valuable skills, and perhaps > parlay it into a full-time, paid position. Managers will read: "This keen sucker can be kept at Low rates for a Long time". Better that FreeBSD people work free Not for scrounging commercial firms & share holder profit, but for charity eg: FreeBSD development projects & systems admin (eg send-pr base, (parlay into a job requiring corporate support/ trouble ticket experience ), FSF, Xorg, Greenpeace, computer automating a local library, FreeBSD training lectures to schools, fixing BSD install etc for blind / half blind etc. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail plain ASCII text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org
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