Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:18:47 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev <roam@ringlet.net> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re-starting daemons across upgrades? Message-ID: <20110917091847.GA2754@straylight.m.ringlet.net> In-Reply-To: <4E74639E.1060207@gmx.de> References: <4E7247F2.7080207@wasikowski.net> <20110915183710.GA47127@guilt.hydra> <4E7253AF.7030602@wasikowski.net> <4E725782.3090107@gmx.de> <CADLo839_KJZGpjYcdFM1a3jqGCg4EHrz08xnNEQ30uW2c4uz7w@mail.gmail.com> <CAGMYy3vugL=YVqzH6-u81dLitgZU55tEnuuBnfqwyg86Wf9t3g@mail.gmail.com> <46157122.20110916135126@serebryakov.spb.ru> <4E73709D.5020004@gmx.de> <4E73AADB.8060804@FreeBSD.org> <4E74639E.1060207@gmx.de>
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--6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:08:46AM +0200, Matthias Andree wrote: > Am 16.09.2011 22:00, schrieb Gabor Kovesdan: > >On 2011.09.16. 17:51, Matthias Andree wrote: > >>Am 16.09.2011 11:51, schrieb Lev Serebryakov: > >>>Hello, Freebsd-ports. > >>>You wrote 16 =D1=81=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82=D1=8F=D0=B1=D1=80=D1=8F 2011 =D0= =B3., 0:28:07: > >>> > >>>>>Really? I thought it was supposed to be standard > >>>>>behaviour- the @stopdaemon > >>>>>line in pkg-plist facilitates that. > >>>>While I totally understand why we do this, I have to say it's VERY > >>>>VERY annoying behavior especially when one upgrading a remote system > >>>>with multiple server daemon ports. One have to watch the whole > >>>>process carefully and restart the daemon manually. > >>> Yep, and even more annoyingly is that it is completely inconsistent: > >>> some daemons are stopped, some not, etc. > >>We do not currently have a standard procedure for that, nor do we record > >>the necessary state -- perhaps we should just discuss, vote, and add a > >>paragraph to the porter's handbook. > >> > >>We also need to bring the authors (or volunteers) for the de-facto > >>standard upgrade tools into the loop. > >> > >>My thoughts: > >> > >>- give the user a choice to configure whether to restart services > >> > >>- optional: give the users a chance to configure this per-service > >> > >>- discuss whether we want/need to support this (a) in the framework that > >>we currently use, (b) only in pkgng, (c) in portmaster and portupgrade > >>where necessary. > >Or we could have a facility to check whether services are running. > >For example, I have some cron scripts, which are similar for all > >of the services that I'm watching. They run periodically and > >restart services if they are down. It does not matter if they are > >down because of an upgrade or a failure, so this solution is more > >general. Here's an example that I have for MySQL: >=20 >=20 > Before we go that way, we should consider using runit by Gerrit Pape > (smarden.org), Upstart, or port systemd. Or (bet you didn't expect that from a hardcore daemontools user like me ;) our own FreeBSD Services Control - http://people.FreeBSD.org/~trhodes/fsc/ (once it's ready to enter the tree) G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@FreeBSD.org peter@packetscale.com PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 because I didn't think of a good beginning of it. --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJOdGXzAAoJEGUe77AlJ98TdmoQALOdcP6BtzFq8lupWfipuoJa h8O9+E2XxJoNBMeH9TVun0Km1QVDA7ty0dWRxEHbTe7DhdAym3U+2xToN+WxEy01 iVgmN662y3iCNt0Pn9QbBr+VQF5mfmF5pIMmkrOEo36YWFlH0/OpGLj1m7dGSRkc 3FhDAX0OYJezNIBWm1+/lx7Y7MfNSKRdms7vBKE7nSDWWBxjNMzcwMUzDieH3pTT /d3G9QPqTssc/qatELM5+KsvI/X7qU3BKORQSIQqZ6Hz4PQa2CYAnb6WaxjEYHhK KkR9JdkWdCgTWBOSbY+uMCR1q7k+F/liu+k1H+YcrLAErDojFlmkl3PpAj6lRaDN KbEqJTCo8PBHr/skF4BTKaNl4fXqsmxTdW+kBDcW2iBOexewoJa9x21PdYcbsEy8 97gyKAs5MqEm2PmNaFyK3evnEbC+3XICgBdFJNGachKMNHj2q3L5W/AyqMpi/BRz feHwSXIdrVenySu5qs8TDmj/k60cSBteCNFOAZxkfTceIOx7UPkJnWRX+DKP4I5D 18u9U6+m3J4XvFX/2HyUGWBaCt+q3F+8owopu998/sUlWooMzBwtSF9ipgrK+cZ5 EitdMVamt1ci2ndtBfGCWdyFFvxCyof09pnfNm26WniGxF5qSyXN0m5qlaaVpH81 XWWWVC0zajzf4EEyzs3a =D0pY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0--
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