Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:57:32 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> To: Florent Peterschmitt <fpeterscom@gmail.com> Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Port system "problems" Message-ID: <20120626065732.GH41054@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> In-Reply-To: <4FE8E4A4.9070507@gmail.com> References: <4FE8E4A4.9070507@gmail.com>
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--oyqLL/JqMvClXZi1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:22:28AM +0200, Florent Peterschmitt wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I'm not a developer and I know how it's difficult to make a port (or=20 > some ports, for example VirtualBox) but I think the port system has many= =20 > "problems": >=20 > 1. Ports are not modular What do you mean by modular? if you are speaking about subpackages it is co= ming, but it takes time > 2. Option system is not really well documented What kind of documentation do you need?, please report what you are expecte= d so that we can improve it > 3. Some dependencies are totally useless Please report PR > 4. So slow... What is slow do you mean compiling is slow? >=20 > Let me give some examples: >=20 > 1. games/wesnoth should be splitted in games/wesnoth-bin and=20 > games/wesnoth-datas. Why rebuild everything when just binaries needs ? This is coming, it takes lot of time, and some things have to be done first= , in the infrastructure that the user do not see much. > 2. Why do we have to put WITH_NEW_XORG in /etc/make.conf to get it ? Why= =20 > not put this var in a port configuration file which will be read by all= =20 > ports needing this var ? Because this is not that easy, do you have a technical way to propose? I th= ink noone is really happy with the WITH_NEW_XORG, but this is the "less worse" = :) way we found, if you have a better way to propose, please step up and propo= se. > 3. Why does GNOME really needs x11/yelp which depends on www/libxul,=20 > which is a big port to build ? I don't need yelp and I'm sure not to be= =20 > alone don't need this. Because everysingle gnome application providing a help menu will spawn the = yelp program so yes yelp is a big dependency of gnome. > 4. Generating Index, find dependencies. I know that we have time and=20 > that's not a priority, but it is slow. >=20 > I know that FreeBSD doesn't "change" because of "less surprising"=20 > philosophy (and I'm the first to say it's a good thing, but sometimes=20 > not so good), and also *BSD community is certainly less big than GNU=20 > community... >=20 > Port system will have some major updates in the future ? Yes major updates are being written and coming as fast as the free time all= ow it, a new more consistent option framework is already in, pkgng is in a beta phase and binary repositories are available there: http://pkgbeta.freebsd.o= rg, real uniquename for ports, and stage directory. Lots of the previous are not really appaeling and most user won't notice th= em but they are very important for the furtur. What will come next is multi package and flavours, but it first needs all t= he previous. regards, BApt --oyqLL/JqMvClXZi1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk/pXVwACgkQ8kTtMUmk6ExbLwCglcftg4F74Rq4fquEk5FYxvFL 4vUAnRTa3K2hYyeVhjapAmoq/hQ8+NWH =U6Gr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oyqLL/JqMvClXZi1--
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