Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 18:01:47 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com> To: Peter Jeremy <peter@rulingia.com> Cc: arch@freebsd.org, "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com> Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD Message-ID: <201209141601.q8EG1lmf003367@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: Your message "Fri, 14 Sep 2012 11:06:25 %2B1000." <20120914010625.GD15659@server.rulingia.com>
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> On 2012-Sep-13 14:49:20 +0200, "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com> wrote: > >=3D?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=3DC3=3DB8rgrav?=3D wrote: > >> Which other Unices provide CVS out of the box? > > I notice you've carefully avoided answering this. I included all from DES to be polite, to make sure I didn't take DES out of context, despite he took me out context. DES's question "Which other Unices provide CVS out of the box?" while good, is one I have no further (*) time for. You in the remove CVS camp should have know or researched it before you proposed to remove CVS. > >DES hyperbole discarded, CVS would be just one more issue just for some. > > The hyperbole here is coming from you, not des@. False. DES twisted context, & exagerated between these http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2012-September/013057.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2012-September/013058.html (*) I had started researching other Unixes with CVS before DES asked, & I found refs, but agression kills motivation & I must travel. You in the remove CVS camp proposed change; Do your own search work. > >Some might agressively pitch for a short timescale, but if CVS goes, > >FreeBSD will hopefuly look beyond just its developers' group, remember its > >users, & consider a schedule similar to one a OS software manager would. > > CVS is a development tool and the version in FreeBSD base was intended > for FreeBSD development. People using CVS for other purposes are > unlikely to be best served by using an unmaintained and modified variant > of an obsolete version of CVS. OK, Would have been good mentioned earlier, eg when DES was flattening someone's idea to look at upgrading CVS to http://www.OpenCVS.org. > As for the schedule, as has been repeatedly stated, this change will only affect 10.x and later. If this proposal goes ahead, the first > FreeBSD release to not have CVS in the base will be 10.0-RELEASE - > which (IMHO) is unlikely to appear for another year. And 9.x will > continue to include CVS in the base and should be supported for at > least 2 years after 10.0-RELEASE comes out. Thus, anyone currently > relying on the base CVS has at least 3 years to plan their transition. OK, May be sufficient for many tracking FreeBSD. How many Unixes beyond may find your proposed change a nuisance, is unknown. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. Not: HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable.
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