Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:08:22 +0100 From: Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> To: Robert Huff <roberthuff@rcn.com> Cc: Fbsd8 <fbsd8@a1poweruser.com>, FreeBSD questions <questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: svn & new pkg system Message-ID: <20130310150820.GA20819@saturn> In-Reply-To: <20795.63556.581627.956239@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <513BC4E2.4040708@a1poweruser.com> <87ppz8ceje.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20795.63556.581627.956239@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
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On 2013-03-09 22:04, Robert Huff <roberthuff@rcn.com> wrote:
> Giorgos Keramidas writes:
> > > Is svn going to become part of the base system in 9.2-RELEASE?
> >
> > No.
>
> [good reasons for not including subversion ellided]
>
> On the other hand ...
>
> The traditional - and I believe still canonical - way of updating the
> system is to recompile from source.
>
> I know I am not alone in feeling the system is substantially
> incomplete if it does not come with all the tools necessary to do
> that.
>
> (Not slighting freebsd-update (don't know enough about it to have an
> opinion); just pointing out it has limitations.)
This has been traditionally true with CVS, which was also a complex
piece of software, but still merged periodically into FreeBSD src.
I think it's always a small annoyance when things break away from
'tradition', but on the other hand tradition shouldn't be able to put
a stop to moving along or act as an impediment for doing our 'real'
work. And the real work of the team is to develop FreeBSD, not to
develop a version control system. There's a lot of know-how and
development happening in the main Subversion development process;
a lof of experience that we do not necessarily need to duplicate
in our own team to do what we like best: that is, develop FreeBSD.
It's understandable that having to install a package to check-out
the sources is a diversion from previous practice, and it may be
somewhat annoying -- like every change is annoying at first. But
the package is not going to go away and it won't stop working, at
least as long as we are using it ourselves to develop the system.
So other than the difference that now the sources of the VCS used
for development are not part of src/, conceptually there isn't a
lot of difference from before. The previous state of things was:
FreeBSD developers use CVS to check out the sources, and
develop the system itself. CVS is available [as part of the
base system] to everyone else who wants to grab a copy of
the source tree.
WHat happens now is quite similar, except for the bracketed text:
FreeBSD developers use SVN to check out the sources, and
develop the system itself. SVN is available [as part of the
official packages] to everyone else who wants to grab a copy of
the source tree.
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