Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 08:32:59 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> To: Fernando =?iso-8859-1?Q?Apestegu=EDa?= <fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com>, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Staging, packaging and more Message-ID: <20131004063259.GC72453@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> In-Reply-To: <20131004061833.GA1367@medusa.sysfault.org> References: <20131003084814.GB99713@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <524D6059.2000700@FreeBSD.org> <524DD120.4000701@freebsd.org> <20131003203501.GA1371@medusa.sysfault.org> <CAGwOe2Ye2MLz3QpyMW3wyN9ew%2BiNnTETS1oOi_%2B8dPehUcWa0w@mail.gmail.com> <20131004061833.GA1367@medusa.sysfault.org>
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--s9fJI615cBHmzTOP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:18:33AM +0200, Marcus von Appen wrote: > On, Thu Oct 03, 2013, Fernando Apestegu=EDa wrote: >=20 > > El 03/10/2013 22:41, "Marcus von Appen" <mva@freebsd.org> escribi=F3: > > > > > > On, Thu Oct 03, 2013, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > > > > > > > On 10/03/13 07:17, Andriy Gapon wrote: > > > > > on 03/10/2013 11:48 Baptiste Daroussin said the following: > > > > >> This also allows lots of new features to come: > > > > >> - Allow to create sub-packages > > > > >> - Allow to create debuginfo packages. > > > > > I'd like to mention a few other possibilities along the same line= s: > > > > > - doc packages > > > > > - examples packages > > > > > - "devel" packages (headers, tools and other files required for > > compiling > > > > > dependent software, but not generally needed for an end user) > > > > > > > > Please no devel packages. > > > > > > Seconded. > > > > What's wrong with devel packages? >=20 > It complicates things for developers and custom software on > FreeBSD. The typical situation that I see on most Linux platforms is a > lot of confusion by people, why their custom software XYZ does not > properly build - the most common answer: they forgot to install a > tremendous amount of dev packages, containing headers, build tools and > whatnot. > On FreeBSD, you can rely on the fact that if you installed e.g. libGL, > you can start building your own GL applications without the need to > install several libGL-dev, libX11-dev, ... packages first. > This is something, which I personally see as a big plus of the FreeBSD > ports system and which makes FreeBSD attractive as a development platform. >=20 On the other ends, that makes the package fat for embedded systems, that al= so makes some arbitrary runtime conflicts between packages (because they both provide the same symlink on the .so, while we could live with 2 version at runtime), that leads to tons of potential issue while building locally, and that makes having sometime insane issues with dependency tracking. Why havi= ng =2Ea, .la, .h etc in production servers? It could greatly reduce PBI size, = etc. Personnaly I do have no strong opinion in one or another direction. Should = we be nicer with developers? with end users? with embedded world? That is the que= stion to face to decide if -devel packages is where we want to go or not. regards, Bapt --s9fJI615cBHmzTOP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlJOYRsACgkQ8kTtMUmk6Ex6WACeOA/7kBa3j2FjlmaMzAeuuYgX TtIAnjkLLg7WZrT5mj6dAeSwreXlpEcV =ZBam -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s9fJI615cBHmzTOP--
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