Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 13:29:06 -0700 From: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@komquats.com> To: Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rcs Message-ID: <201310082029.r98KT6MQ058038@slippy.cwsent.com> In-Reply-To: Message from Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> of "Tue, 08 Oct 2013 08:20:22 -0700." <525422B6.9040906@mu.org>
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In message <525422B6.9040906@mu.org>, Alfred Perlstein writes: > On 10/8/13 8:04 AM, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > >>> I think the fact is that most direct users of RCS use it in a very > >>> simple way, and > >>> it works just fine for that. with no real need for any updates or any > >>> change. > >> With all due respect Julian, The more we discuss this more this really > >> points to the problem that FreeBSD appears to be a challenge to install > >> packages into such that a package moving out of base is such a big deal. > >> > >> Can we fix that instead? > >> > >> I mean, this change should really not be a big deal, but yet it is and > >> this speaks to the core of FreeBSD utility. > > Not commenting on RCS here, but on the concept of moving packages out > > of the base: > > > > - For some of us, the attraction of FreeBSD is that it is a tightly > > integrated system, and the base contains enough useful functionality > > that we don't *have* to add a lot of packages. > > > > - Each package that is moved out of the base system means less useful > > functionality in the base system - and for me: Less reason to use > > FreeBSD instead of Linux. > > > > I absolutely see the problem of maintaining out-of-date packages in > > the base system, and the desirability of making the base system less > > reliant on GPL. I'm mostly troubled by the fact that there seems to > > be a rather strong tendency the last few years of having steadily > > less functionality in the base system - and I'm not at all convinced > > that the right balance has been found here. > > > > This discussion is not new, and I don't expect to convince any new > > persons... > > > > > I'm sure other devs will disagree, but with ~15 years of FreeBSD > experience and ~13 years as a dev, my very strong opinion is that this > tightly coupled system is actually a boat anchor sinking us. > > Just because no one else does it a certain way, does not mean that a > unique way of doing something is correct and/or sustainable. Maybe in > 1995, 1999, or 2005 even, but not today. Especially in the context of > add-on tools like rcs. > > What we need to discuss is lowering the bar to making custom installs. > > I personally find that installing FreeBSD is useless until I install > "screen, zsh, vim-lite, git" why is that so manual for me? Why can't I > just register a package set somewhere so that all I have to type in is > "alfred.perlstein.devel" into a box during the installer and I get all > my packages by default? A Red Hat-like kickstart or Solaris jumpstart possibly? -- Cheers, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@komquats.com> FreeBSD UNIX: <cy@FreeBSD.org> Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org
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