Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 16:25:21 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> To: Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> Cc: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: no beep any more Message-ID: <20160728142521.GA1932@c720-r292778-amd64> In-Reply-To: <20160728223053.A29054@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <mailman.117.1469707202.10779.freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> <20160728223053.A29054@sola.nimnet.asn.au>
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El día Thursday, July 28, 2016 a las 11:39:24PM +1000, Ian Smith escribió:
> In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 634, Issue 5, Message: 6
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:42:39 +0200 Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote:
> > El d?a Thursday, July 28, 2016 a las 09:08:10PM +1000, Ian Smith escribi?:
> [..]
> > > > I have two of these Acer C720 Chromebooks. One is still beeping and the
> > > > other only in the coreboot splash screen, and was beeping in FreeBSD
> > > > before. I do not see anything which supports your idea.
> > >
> > > I've been following this thread with interest.
> >
> > Hi Ian,
> >
> > This is nice that you say this, really!
(Ian, btw: your mail server rejects mail from unixarea.de as SPAM)
> I was surprised it was still a mystery .. but I'm still struggling to
> put a complete picture together re the working / non-working machines,
> and/or FreeBSD revisions.
here you have a complete picture of the 2 C720 and a Dell E6330:
my C720:
FreeBSD c720-r292778-amd64 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #0 r292778: Mon Dec 28 05:45:37 CET 2015 root@poudriere-amd64:/usr/local/r292778/obj/usr/local/r292778/src/sys/GENERIC amd64
no beep when running 11-CURRENT r292778 from SSD
no beep when running 12-CURRENT r303343 from USB stick
my son's C720 (a total clone of my C720):
FreeBSD c720-r292778-amd64 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #2 r292778M: Sun Jul 3 19:33:52 CEST 2016 root@c720-r292778-amd64:/usr/local/r292778/obj/usr/local/r292778/src/sys/GENERIC amd64
beeps fine when running 11-CURRENT r292778 from SSD
no beep when running 12-CURRENT r303343 from USB stick
Dell Latitude E6330
FreeBSD e6330-r302904-amd64 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r302904M: Fri Jul 15 22:09:31 CEST 2016 root@e6330-r285885-amd64:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64
beeps fine when running 12-CURRENT r302904 from SSD
no beep when running 12-CURRENT r303343 from USB stick
> And I only just noticed 'only in the coreboot splash screen'; see below.
>
> > The problem started some days
> > ago on the C720 I'm using 7*24 and where I'm typing right now. It could
> > really be the fact that this C720 has a hardware or BIOS issue. But the
> > other C720 my son is using, running the same FreeBSD r292778 is beeping
> > fine but is not beeping when I boot a new USB stick with r303343.
>
> What's uname -a on r292778? Since losing access to svnweb.freebsd.org I
> can't readily see what's what from just rev numbers. Maybe not relevant
> but it sounds like a regression in 11, but there may be other factors ..
>
> > That's why I wanted first concentrate on this C720 to learn what the nature
> > of the issue or configuration is on this and I wrote in the mail from
> > where you have copied the part b) as well:
> >
> > ...
> > a) concentrate first on the C720 which still beeps (to eliminate the
> > risk that the other has a hardware issue)
> > >
> > > >From a later message from the list archive (not here yet) you say:
> > >
> > > > b) let away X11, and use as test cases only:
> > > > 1. it should beep on key backspace while cursor is on prompt
> > > > 2. it should beep on a second ESC in editor vi
> > > > 3. it should beep on the shell command: printf "\7"
> > >
> > > I don't use vi, but 1 and 3 work here fine both from a VT and within
> > > KDE, however I have KDE send 'beep' notifications rather than speaker.
> > >
> > > You seem to assume that something's broken in FreeBSD - which may be the
> > > case - but it's also possible that the speaker hardware on the non-
> > > beeping one is just broken, especially as device speaker didn't work.
> >
> > Yes, from the fact "r292778 beeps, while r303343 does not on the same
> > hardware and the same BIOS" I think that either there is some config
> > problem or "a moving target", i.e. some random bug;
>
> To see if I've got this clear .. it's only with your 11-alpha memstick
> boot that there's no speaker working? That applies to both machines?
> And that both C720s' speakers work right on r292778?
yes they worked both fine until some days;
> > > Usually the hardware for these in laptops is a simple piezo speaker,
> > > commonly with red and blue wires, likely driven by a single TTL or CMOS
> > > buffer. While piezo speakers are pretty hard (but not impossible) to
> > > destroy, I've had a laptop where one wire has become detached, so if
> > > it's not too hard to get in there to check, that may be worthwhile .. if
> > > so it's likely a simple fix, either by soldering or replacement.
> > >
> > > Another possibility is that it's (become?) disabled in BIOS settings?
> >
> > If it comes to the so called BIOS settings, these Chromebooks has no
> > settings menu. The hardware boots some 'coreboot' software which has as
> > a payload a SeaBIOS and the only option you have is select the boot
> > device if there are more than one.
>
> Ok, thanks. Hmmm. But beep works ok at the coreboot boot screen, but
> not later running under FreeBSD, on one?
yes;
> Does it have volume control and mute buttons? Do these work in FreeBSD?
> I've seen mention of these in mobile@ and acpi@ but paid no attention ..
They have no special buttons for vol control; this works in KDE with
Alt-F8 (mute) Atl-F9 (lower) and Alt-F10 (vol up) and work fine on both
C720; audio is general is fine on both C720, only PC-speaker is
affected;
> Reason I ask is that, just now for old times' sake, I tried the old:
> # kldload speaker
> # echo cdefgec >/dev/speaker
> on my Lenovo X200, lid-down accessed via ssh on a 120x50 Konsole.
>
> Silence. Huh? 'mixer speaker' shows 70:70. Backspace at prompt, KDE
> beeptone. Surprised, I (cleared then :) opened the lid and logged in;
> no backspace beep. Oh, ah - hit volume-up .. beep all good, Hit mute,
> beep gone locally - but Konsole remotely still does its KDE notify beep
> as mentioned, so I hadn't noticed it had been muted for maybe a week ..
>
> Which is a longwinded way of saying: try eg the volume-up button while
> at coreboot screen, in case if booted in 'mute' state, freebsd won't be
> able to unset that, especially if volume buttons don't work in freebas?
>
> Just a long shot .. no warranty ..
>
> > So, back to the above question: why the beast is beeping with r292778
> > and not with r303343? Maybe the answer to this will later explain why
> > the other C720 is not beeping at all at the moment, not with r292778 and
> > not with r303343...
>
> Now the last bit is why I was (re)confused .. you mean the was-working
> one has become non-working since trying 11-alpha2, even back on r292778?
No. Both run r292778 for some months and beeped fine. One stopped
beeping, while audio is still fine;
>
> > In any case I will open my C720 and look for the red/blue wires, if they
> > are not below the motherboard :-(
>
> No, if the other one has 'gone bad' too, it almost must be software. Or
> firmware. Apart from the mute button thing, you could try a real cold
> reset (ie battery removed and replaced after a time). Out of ideas ..
>
> cheers, Ian (Please cc me, digests can take a full day sometimes)
I Cc you but it bounces.
matthias
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