Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 09:28:53 -0700 From: Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> To: Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org> Cc: Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com>, linimon@lonesome.com, Don Lewis <truckman@FreeBSD.org>, list1@gjunka.com, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster, portupgrade, etc Message-ID: <20171005162853.GA96784@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <9B1E1C51-7D87-4DBC-8E7A-D9657BBAAC91@adamw.org> References: <20171004232819.GA86102@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <201710050027.v950RBFT047711@gw.catspoiler.org> <20171005083558.GD95911@kib.kiev.ua> <20171005145116.GA96180@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20171005145941.GL95911@kib.kiev.ua> <20171005152520.GA96545@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <9B1E1C51-7D87-4DBC-8E7A-D9657BBAAC91@adamw.org>
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On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 09:31:41AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote: > > On 5 Oct, 2017, at 9:25, Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > > Which brings me back to my i686 laptop with limited resources. > > If portmgr makes it impractical/impossible to easily install ports > > without a sledge hammer, then testing possible future patches to > > libm will simply skip i686 class hardware. > > I'm not clear what role you think portmgr has in this. Portmgr > merely brings new features to the ports tree. Portmgr itself is > responsible for no build tool other than "make install". > > I don't know how many times I need to keep saying this, but > portmgr is not killing off portmaster. There is simply nobody > developing portmaster anymore, and that is not portmgr's > responsibility. There ARE people developing poudriere, and > that is why poudriere continues to work with new ports tree features. > I suppose it's a matter of semantics. If the Makefiles and *.mk files under /usr/ports are altered to allow subpackages and flavours to enhance pkg and poudriere, which will break portmaster further, then yes portmgr has made a decision to endorse a sledge hammer over simple tools. Mere users of the ports collection are not privy to discussions on a portmgr alias/mailinglist. A quick scan of the members of portmgr and contributors to poudriere show at least 4 common members. There are 8 people listed under portmgr. When decisions were being made on the introduction of subpackages/flavours into the ports collection, did the 4 common members recluse themselves from any formal or informal vote? If no, then there is certainly a conflict-of-interest in what is best for the ports collection versus what is best for poudriere. Yes, portmaster is currently unmaintained. Doug Barton left FreeBSD developement because he was continually brow beaten whenever he pointed out what he felt were (serious) flaws in FreeBSD and in the ports collection. -- Steve
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