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Date:      Tue, 5 Dec 2017 14:08:49 -0800
From:      Gordon Tetlow <gordon@tetlows.org>
To:        Dewayne Geraghty <dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au>
Cc:        freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: http subversion URLs should be discontinued in favor of https URLs
Message-ID:  <20171205220849.GH9701@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <8788fb0d-4ee9-968a-1e33-e3bd84ffb892@heuristicsystems.com.au>
References:  <97f76231-dace-10c4-cab2-08e5e0d792b5@rawbw.com> <5A2709F6.8030106@grosbein.net> <11532fe7-024d-ba14-0daf-b97282265ec6@rawbw.com> <8788fb0d-4ee9-968a-1e33-e3bd84ffb892@heuristicsystems.com.au>

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On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 08:55:00AM +1100, Dewayne Geraghty wrote:
> On 6/12/2017 8:13 AM, Yuri wrote:
> > On 12/05/17 13:04, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
> >> It is illusion that https is more secure than unencrypted http in a
> >> sense of MITM
> >> just because of encryption, it is not.
> >
> >
> > It *is* more secure. In order to break it, you have to have
> > compromized https authorities. Some state actors have plausibly done
> > this. http, on the contrary, can be altered by anybody who has access
> > to the wire, which is generally a much wider set.
> >
> >
> > Yuri 
> 
> Yuri,
> It can be illusory.   My last job was as Sec Mgr for a large bank.  They
> disabled cert checking on client devices, placed a wildcard cert at the
> internet boundary and captured all https unencrypted.  An alternative
> approach to advocate is dnssec.  :)

That's a specific decision made by a business as to how they are going
to run their end-points. We can never help in that scenario.

Using this as a reason to not move to HTTPS is a fallacy. We should do
everything we can to help our end-users get FreeBSD in the most secure
way.

Regards,
Gordon



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