Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:46:38 +0100 From: Julien Cigar <julien@perdition.city> To: Victor Sudakov <vas@sibptus.ru> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200316114638.GD1410@belspo> In-Reply-To: <20200316110246.GB95052@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <mailman.19358.1581761921.21074.freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> <fde4cbec-efa0-de36-18f9-696e5cdfea3d@defert.com> <20200215141238.GY1879@aurora.gregv.net> <20200316110246.GB95052@admin.sibptus.ru>
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On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 06:02:46PM +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Greg Veldman wrote: > > > > The insanity of systemd is a large part of what convinced me > > to migrate all my personal machines from GNU/Linux to FreeBSD > > a couple of years ago. > > I've just come across two related things which may convince me to > migrate some machines from FreeBSD to Debian. > > 1. On Debian, you can run several instances of php-fpm with different > PHP versions in them. > > 2. On Debian, you can install and run several versions of PostgreSQL > simultaneously thanks to the pg_createcluster/pg_lsclusters/... > infrastructure. > > All that from standard packages, without manual compiling and tweaking, > jails etc, with minimal effort. that's true, but once you setup a dedicated Poudriere machine, that all your deployments are happening in jails, that you use some CMS (like SaltStack), and that everything is based on ZFS it's a *lot* easier to maintain on the long term, and you have a lot of flexibility. I think it's a good practice to isolate services as much as possible (even if it would be possible to run several instances of php-fpm with different PHP versions I wouldn't do it, and use one JAIL per PHP version), and to install the minimum required on the HOST (usually I only install a SaltStack minion) I have to deal with some very old (15+ years) shit at work that isn't updated but has to be accessible (webapps) (don't ask) and thanks to jails and things like rctl I could stil use that latest -RELEASE while isolating the old shit in 10.x-RELEASE jails. Try to do that with Linux.. (I don't say it's impossible but it would require a lot more work IMHO) > > Not that FreeBSD could not do that, it just does not do that. Especially > PHP verions are a great PITA. > > -- > Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN > 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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