Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 21:23:36 +0200 From: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> To: Brandon helsley <brandon.helsley@hotmail.com> Cc: Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Minimal skills Message-ID: <20200604212336.8fe541cd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <CY4PR19MB010437F9D68EF323F2840323F9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> References: <CY4PR19MB0104DC7541A2154B5C435EA7F9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <20200604074134.89eb6518.freebsd@edvax.de> <CY4PR19MB0104A2C03F4D66A1DA251A23F9880@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <20200604005859.ca438474.freebsd@edvax.de> <CY4PR19MB0104C290121BF756D57B2DDBF9880@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <20200604020051.0c02472d.freebsd@edvax.de> <CY4PR19MB0104DD86F8FE6446AD1BF327F9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <20200604074134.89eb6518.freebsd@edvax.de> <CY4PR19MB0104DC7541A2154B5C435EA7F9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <CY4PR19MB010437F9D68EF323F2840323F9890@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 02:59:04 -0600, Brandon helsley wrote: > I looked at the link and could not tell what was wrong with > the archive. There is nothing wrong with the archives - they work as expected. However, the MUA you are using leads to distorted messages and disrupts the flow, so it's not possible to see "who wrote what", i. e., what did you write, what was cited, what was being replied to, and so on. It also damages the message's formatting (newlines and tabs and citing indentation), which makes the message look terrible. > I will install an MUA and use that and try and set up the mail > server later with postfix. A good idea. There is plenty of choice. Basically, you can even use Thunderbird, but make sure it's configured properly (no HTML message, plain text, line wrapping suggested at < 70 colums, and citing indentation is "> ", note the space). But there are also lightweight and powerful GUI mailers such as Sylpheed, or TUI mailers like pine, alpine, or mutt, which are very popular among FreeBSD users. > I'm assuming there are multiple layers that go along with email. Of course. :-) You can see the MUA, the mail _user_ agent, at the top, facing the user, and you have several things in between before your message reaches a recipient, such as a MSA (mail submision agent), a MTA (mail transfer agent), and you can have additional components like spam filters or IMAP interfaces or even a web mailer. All those are available on FreeBSD, by the way, so if you wanted to do local experiments, you could run all of those (!) on your own machine without having to worry about static IPs... > Again may I ask what is writing shell scripts. Is that the same > as editing .xsession or .xinitrc? More or less. While .xinitrc and .xsession are rather simple scripts used to do "autostart" functions, shell scripts can be quite complex and contain a lot of logic. Just see /etc/rc - it's a shell script that controls the boot process of your FreeBSD system. It uses other files to be conditionally incorporated and processed. Those files are in /etc/rc.d/ (for OS components) and in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ (for 3rd party components installed from ports or packages). Internally, the ports collection as well as the system sources also use shell scripts, often embedded in Makefiles - files that are used by the tool "make" to automatically resolve dependencies and provide a "processing logic" for source files. Again, the primary tool here is a text editor. Advanced editors like vim, emacs, mcedit etc. are able to display and edit shell scripts and Makefiles in a convenient way. The difference in editing those scripts compared to .xinitrc or .xsession is the complexity and the involved constructs. An overview about the shell used for shell scripting, its language and its built-in functions can be found in "man sh". -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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