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Date:      Mon, 09 Sep 2024 18:59:39 +0000
From:      "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
To:        Olivier Certner <olce@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: It's not Rust, it's FreeBSD (and LLVM)
Message-ID:  <202409091859.489Ixdia086264@critter.freebsd.dk>
In-Reply-To: <2611284.jQUcPV6jne@ravel>
References:  <202409031532.483FW0If007252@critter.freebsd.dk> <2611284.jQUcPV6jne@ravel>

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Olivier Certner writes:

> > We need to find a contemporary and useful answer to "What is FreeBSD?"
>
> I think you've answered part of that satisfactorily in your initial mail=
 already:
>
> > Delivering a single consistent userland with the kernel has stood
> > us well for three decades, and we should stick with that.
>
> I'll add:
> - A system that is easy to build and tweak in practice (for developers a=
t the very least).

But what are the boundaries of this "system" of which you talk ?

I am more or less responsible for nearly two hundred computers
running FreeBSD right now.  Only two of those have zero ports/packages
installed, one monitors my floor heating system, the other firewalls
some old crap.

To me "src+kernel" is just the foundations.

"A system" is what people build on top of the foundations.

-- =

Poul-Henning Kamp       | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
phk@FreeBSD.ORG         | TCP/IP since RFC 956
FreeBSD committer       | BSD since 4.3-tahoe    =

Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence=
.



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