Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2025 17:00:36 +0300 From: Vadim Goncharov <vadimnuclight@gmail.com> To: Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> Cc: Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com>, tomek@edro.info, freebsd-hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, jgopensource@proton.me Subject: Re: A modern programming language for FreeBSD: Swift Message-ID: <20250615170036.7e3af21c@nuclight.lan> In-Reply-To: <CAFYkXjkY%2B-bdDedNVhhKdx_6gGe1QE-0x0cxXoKnpCzMesR1yw@mail.gmail.com> References: <0B3DA0EC-1FB6-4C4F-B6D6-BB35BF06D49C.ref@yahoo.com> <0B3DA0EC-1FB6-4C4F-B6D6-BB35BF06D49C@yahoo.com> <CAFYkXjkY%2B-bdDedNVhhKdx_6gGe1QE-0x0cxXoKnpCzMesR1yw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:07:26 +0200 Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 6:30 AM Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Tomek CEDRO <tomek_at_cedro.info> wote on > > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2025 01:29:37 UTC : > > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2025 at 11:26 PM Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2025 at 3:07 PM Jordan Gordeev > > > > <jgopensource@proton.me> wrote: > > > > > The FreeBSD project can leap into the future by choosing a modern > > > > > programming language to replace C, or continue living in the past, > > > > > hoping that the rest of the world will do the same. (..) > > > > > > > > If you want to resurrect a Swift port from the past to the future you > > > > are welcome: > > > > > > > > https://www.freshports.org/lang/swift/ > > > > > > Update, I just saw Greg Wallace posted about official Swift 6.2 > > > support on FreeBSD :-) > > > > > > https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2025/245/?time=1403 > > > > > > Swift 6.2 now officially supports FreeBSD and WebAssembly (Wasm), > > > enabling you to build client and server applications for browsers and > > > other runtimes. The Wasm support, which started as a community > > > project, allows you to compile Swift code and run it in the browser, > > > as demonstrated by a 3D rendering app using WebGPU and JavaScriptKit. > > > Swift's safety, ease of use, and performance make it an attractive > > > choice throughout the software stack. > > > > > > So Swift is back again on FreeBSD :-) And its matter of choice not > > > replacement :-) > > > > [Do not take this as suggesting involvement in replacing C.] > > Thanks Mark, looks like this was a troll post, but needs a response > :-) I have zero interest in Swift myself. just got allergic to this > kind of preaching "you should replace C with XYZ because > whatever_reason". This is marxism ("you must destroy to build"), This shit has nothing to do with marxism. At best, this is infantilism... > brings only destruction to whatever still works, wrecks years of hard > work, brings no working alternative/fallback (look at Xorg too), and > should be dispraised right from start. If anyone wants XYZ based OS go > ahead make one, just leave working stuff alone, people should have a > choice :-) ...and at worst, this is deliberate "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" damage for commercial interests (vendor-locking/monopoly), like the Red Hat did with systemd and now doing with Wayland/Xorg. -- WBR, @nuclight
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