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Date:      Wed, 20 Dec 2017 09:39:02 -0800
From:      Yuri <yuri@rawbw.com>
To:        Johannes Lundberg <johalun0@gmail.com>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Vote: making wayland=on default
Message-ID:  <3267de19-6e00-a72a-e2a7-abb322ccf7ac@rawbw.com>
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On 12/20/17 01:20, Johannes Lundberg wrote:
> For any Desktop user (as well as embedded devices
> like IVI-systems and whatnot), Wayland is the future. There's no
> escaping that.

Over the history of its development, Wayland could never clearly answer 
the question "What are the benefits of Wayland for the end user?".
Additionally, they always advocated the removal of features like 
networked connections, window manager features.

It appears that this is the case of fixing of something (xorg) that 
wasn't/isn't broken in the first place. And if it is considered broken, 
then how, in which way?

But you are right, it is a reality that Wayand devs had enough 
horsepower to eventually, after many years, make it and now impose it on 
everybody, and force it to be a future reality.

There are a lot of things that need to be verified that they work: 
x11vnc, the ability to connect to a display remotely, every window 
manager should work with it, ex. xfce4, dwm.

People should be asking the question "What's the benefit of the 
transition to X?". The answer should include the functional benefits to 
users, not just "We need to switch to something called X." What new 
features or improvements will users actually see?


Just my 2c.
Yuri




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