Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 04:22:22 -0400 From: Malartre <malartre@aei.ca> To: Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/BSD/ Message-ID: <3567D8BE.4889A5EE@aei.ca> References: <3566754B.78B28C72@aei.ca> <19980524022609.21670@welearn.com.au> <356772AE.C76BAB13@aei.ca> <19980524154624.58829@welearn.com.au> <3567C85E.24F441B9@aei.ca> <19980524175220.10000@welearn.com.au>
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Sue Blake wrote: > On Sun, May 24, 1998 at 03:12:30AM -0400, Malartre wrote: > > Sue Blake wrote: > > > > > On Sat, May 23, 1998 at 09:06:54PM -0400, Malartre wrote: > > > > Sue Blake wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 23, 1998 at 03:05:48AM -0400, Malartre wrote: > > > > > > I dont know where to mail that post, so I mail it to advocacy ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I've worked some hours on a new concept for a new FreeBSD.org page. > > > > > > > > > > Why? What exactly were you aiming to alter? > > > > > > > > > > > Its not perfect, links are broken and there is no new graphics. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/BSD/ > > > > > > > > > > Sure, it doesn't fit in my browser window yet. The real one does. > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to hear what it is that you think needs changing, before looking > > > > > at how you're suggesting it could be done. > > > > > > > > Sue, present me a screen shot of your web browser when it dont fit and say to > > > > me your resolution. It work really good with netscape and lynx.... > > > > > > I've mailed it to you. > > > > > > As you will see, there's a large blank margin on the left and on the > > > right, and the two columns of text in the centre overlap each other. > > > I can't see the end of some of the words on the left. > > > > > > Other words appear as a list, but I think that some of those words are > > > supposed to appear together as a single phrase. They don't. > > > > > > The bottom half of the page has no text on the left, only a section to > > > the right of the centre. The four graphics at the bottom are not centred > > > with respect to this text, and are bunched up. On the FreeBSD site these > > > four are nicely spread out over the width of the window, whatever size > > > that window is. > > > > > > These are the things that happen when you try describe screen layout > > > instead of describing the document and letting the client handle it. > > > > > > > I really want to do it right just for you ;-) > > > > > > That's not a good reason :-) > > > Besides, it should be right for anybody. It should not work just for my > > > window, but it should work for every possible window size. > > > > > > > It work for me with > > > > Lynx > > > > Netscape 4.04 (640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768 without any trouble. There is no > > > > horisontal scrolling) > > > > MSIE-3.2 (Its not so beautiful with it, but its compatible) > > > > > > Did you validate the HTML yet? > > > > > > > There is a need to change the link allocation. > > > > The current page work like a tree > > > > FreeBSD.ORG --> 10 major choice of URL (3 are at the end of the page... > > > > Getting FreeBSD, FreeBSD FAQ and Handbook. That stupid to put them there.) > > > > -->All other link > > > > > > > > My page work like that: > > > > FreeBSD.ORG --> All link (like that, no need to search for the Y2K bug: its > > > > on the top) > > > > > > OK, now that I know what your objectives are I can take a proper look at > > > it with that in mind. It seems like the main thing you wanted to do was > > > to put links on the first page which lead to most of the other pages. > > > That is a nice idea, and you've made a very good start on that part of it > > > even though it's impossible for me to see it in its best light at the moment. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Regards, > > > -*Sue*- > > > > The main problem is OK nowthere was an error, I have forget to do that: > > CELLPADDING=3 > > The problem should now be ok. > > The words still overlap, slightly differently now. > > > The main problem with your browser setting his than you have modified how big you > > want to see letters. Its ok, now than I have putted a cellpading. I even tested it > > with more bigger letter than yours. > > Sorry, I don't see this as being *my* problem. I believe it is up to the > client to decide how a page should be displayed. The HTML should merely > describe the document structure. If nobody else believes this, fine, I'll > shut up. > > > Now, your problem is than there is a lot of wasted space on the down left side. But > > there is not a lot of thing to do, that's a main problem when you do 2 vertical > > line. Also:WIDTH=600 have nothing to do with that problem. > > > > For the wasted space on the *left and right*, it should not be wasted when you see > > the page in the habitual way: there is not to much vertical scrolling. > > I don't think it's worth going into the details any more on this. > Either you're happy with the way it is or you heard me the first time. > > > > > "Did you validate the HTML yet?" I try right now > > > > Never forget than when you change the way IN netscape you look a page, you get a > > good effect but you are penalized on a lot of sites. Its you who take the choice. A > > problem in Netscape is when you change Fonts Size, you do not change Width size, so > > it create your problem. To make a site more usefull or more beautiful, sometime > > you have to do choice. > > > > My choice: 99% of the people should not have any problems to see it. 1% should see > > it without problems, its not so beautifull for them but they can easily read it. 0% > > should have major problem to read it. Now it should work well for you, but you do > > not have the more beautiful site in the world. > > I do appreciate your trying to help me to set up my browser, but I'm not > accustomed to having web pages tell me how to use my software and I > probably won't change. If you're happy reaching a proportion of the > people out there, simply regard me as being in the remainder. > > > Send me a screen shot of how you see it now. > > What version of netscape do you use? > > Anyone can test my page with Chimera and other broswers? > > No more. If those things are relevant to what you're doing, go right ahead. > They're not relevant to what I'm doing. I've told you what I saw and what > I thought was wrong, and from there it is up to you to decide what to do. > I'm not the only person who can be right. Do whatever you want, and may > you and others enjoy the outcomes of whatever you do. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- I dont think its your problem, its *a* problem. But its you who say it to me, so I talk to you ;-) Never think I let you on the side, I was thinking the cellpading would make it OK. If not, send me a screenshot. Me to maybe one day I will use those function in Netscape. If netscape was able to let you arrange width like the font size... I try to found a way to arrange that. Can you please check with your configuration other web site (like linux.org or site like who use the 2 column protocol and try to see if it do the error? http://www.news.com/ http://www.zdnet.com/ etc...) Maybe I will arrange the problem if I do .gif has link like on Linux.ORG left side. Again, say me your Netscape version and a screen shot please. I always listen you, sorry Malartre -- -------------------------------------------------- malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 www.aei.ca/~malartre/ Unix FreeBSD-2.2.6 -------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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