Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2025 19:05:03 +0100 From: Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@Leidinger.net> To: Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@sippysoft.com> Cc: Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>, Allan Jude <allanjude@freebsd.org>, Current FreeBSD <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Difference in "netstat -rn" output in the last 2 months Message-ID: <382bafe6ff9c04ab72d9e0c6f7fb39c3@Leidinger.net> In-Reply-To: <CAH7qZfvuf95Z_3_kj59B7CtE1SvnoERF51XTCMa2vD2WE53yZg@mail.gmail.com> References: <b529fbae8f4f4ed96dab86d11995f4b9@Leidinger.net> <Z5kJzMy0qRZ3i0pD@cell.glebi.us> <CAH7qZfvuf95Z_3_kj59B7CtE1SvnoERF51XTCMa2vD2WE53yZg@mail.gmail.com>
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This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --=_d1d3067cbd48107adf43127468117635 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_d34c0128669efe86a6a3541dfe510c34" --=_d34c0128669efe86a6a3541dfe510c34 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Am 2025-01-28 18:32, schrieb Maxim Sobolev: > I also think this should be reverted back to default. "-n" refers to IP > to name functionality, "default" is clearly a special case. If someone > wants it, some other option can be added to emit 0.0.0.0/0 [1] (not > sure why but ok). This was discussed in the review referenced in the commit. The -nn proposal was there too. Personally I agree with the rationales in favor of "-nn". Bye, Alexander. > -Max > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 5:46 PM Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> > wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 04:58:57PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: >> A> something has changed in the output of "netstat -rn" between >> A> 2024-11-23-195545 and 2025-01-22-151306. The default route is not >> listed as >> A> "default" anymore, but with "0.0.0.0" resp. "::/0". This breaks >> some tools >> A> (e.g. iocage). Iocage uses python, I'm not sure if it uses netstat >> or some >> A> other interface, so it may not be directly related to netstat >> itself but >> A> could be related to some other stuff (netlink maybe?). >> A> >> A> Does this ring a bell for someone? >> >> This is very likely changed by >> 9206c79961986c2114a9a2cfccf009ac010ad259. >> >> Allan, may be make exclusion for the "default" to keep POLA? >> Otherwise, >> indeed at time of 15.0-RELEASE we will receive some negative feedback >> :) >> >> Maybe double -nn should introduce new behavior? >> >> -- >> Gleb Smirnoff -- http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander@Leidinger.net: PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild@FreeBSD.org : PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF Links: ------ [1] http://0.0.0.0/0 --=_d34c0128669efe86a6a3541dfe510c34 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset= =3DUTF-8" /></head><body style=3D'font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,Gen= eva,sans-serif'> <p id=3D"reply-intro">Am 2025-01-28 18:32, schrieb Maxim Sobolev:</p> <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2= px solid; margin: 0"> <div id=3D"replybody1"> <div dir=3D"auto">I also think this should be reverted back to default. "-n= " refers to IP to name functionality, "default" is clearly a special case. = If someone wants it, some other option can be added to emit <a href=3D"http= ://0.0.0.0/0" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer">0.0.0.0/0</a> (= not sure why but ok).</div> </div> </blockquote> <div id=3D"replybody1"> <div dir=3D"auto"> <div dir=3D"auto"> </div> <div dir=3D"auto">This was discussed in the review referenced in the commit= =2E The -nn proposal was there too. Personally I agree with the rationales = in favor of "-nn".</div> <div dir=3D"auto"> </div> <div dir=3D"auto">Bye,</div> <div dir=3D"auto">Alexander.</div> <div dir=3D"auto"> </div> </div> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2= px solid; margin: 0"> <div id=3D"replybody1"> <div dir=3D"auto"> <div dir=3D"auto">-Max</div> </div> <br /> <div class=3D"v1gmail_quote v1gmail_quote_container"> <div class=3D"v1gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 5:46=E2=80=AF= PM Gleb Smirnoff <<a href=3D"mailto:glebius@freebsd.org" rel=3D"noreferr= er">glebius@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:</div> <blockquote class=3D"v1gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-lef= t: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 04:58:57PM += 0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote:<br />A> something has changed in the ou= tput of "netstat -rn" between<br />A> 2024-11-23-195545 and 2025-01-22-1= 51306. The default route is not listed as<br />A> "default" anymore, but= with "0.0.0.0" resp. "::/0". This breaks some tools<br />A> (e.g. iocag= e). Iocage uses python, I'm not sure if it uses netstat or some<br />A> = other interface, so it may not be directly related to netstat itself but<br= />A> could be related to some other stuff (netlink maybe?).<br />A> = <br />A> Does this ring a bell for someone?<br /><br />This is very like= ly changed by 9206c79961986c2114a9a2cfccf009ac010ad259.<br /><br />Allan, m= ay be make exclusion for the "default" to keep POLA? Otherwise,<br />indeed= at time of 15.0-RELEASE we will receive some negative feedback :)<br /><br= />Maybe double -nn should introduce new behavior?<br /><br />-- <br />Gleb= Smirnoff<br /><br /></blockquote> </div> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /></p> <div id=3D"signature">-- <br /> <div class=3D"pre" style=3D"margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">= <a href=3D"http://www.Leidinger.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener nore= ferrer">http://www.Leidinger.net</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:Alexander@Leidinger.= net:">Alexander@Leidinger.net:</a> PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF<br /><a href=3D"h= ttp://www.FreeBSD.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer">http:/= /www.FreeBSD.org</a> <a href=3D"mailto:netchild@FreeBSD.org">n= etchild@FreeBSD.org</a> : PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF</div> </div> </body></html> --=_d34c0128669efe86a6a3541dfe510c34-- --=_d1d3067cbd48107adf43127468117635 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc; size=833 Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEER9UlYXp1PSd08nWXEg2wmwP42IYFAmeZHGEACgkQEg2wmwP4 2Ib70w//XBeEj3JBN0ofGWpsM9omHXGGhKlumr3FtlVtdWvHyIy2hlBt+2JXDXbU v4TN3O7SNnXah1hHd15F/4jScVTQWmMJQShTdASM+29kGOR/bveNG63HyS6Q7xb9 Y1HdMXQ6hysehbDNBmmiQyZlcab5hvOIY7nqtUOSQ7Eh3M6SPv1ZcZJrkLrerEVB 7JAI4kvK7WgvUkYqhCypfFfFpII+bOyT2zdcHp3OMd8MfkkEwyB3Dd6xNIDy/thr /L9ospHngMy8rOiPVQ5LrkuC0Mg8YX6FlGLhOLIK3CmOmt/iCJLMJCihdz1k5YqF 0F805VQ/y0tfXFGZauFRvLfUVVUxwfhff5BeeoXG78NtcnRulmNyFGTliZK/nsE6 CSa/3htrflKfSZv9WyH7Dhf9cO2dWE8WWW1PElBjZMOuiBZ4b39KdBsiqQk5/DE9 7RQ+LmI47qFqfm62gF3mFSLTJFMqvYTV1LSHNSkrD1j9pgsCnF7AIjrmxNQL/wOc f6lSoU6hwwTGTxRvSOOjJIe6aSr7dDjW4qk1/c3c3moOvOTxPqxQZeSrmeoeN7Va 6PYfTFiFOjJpzA2hy+3z0QkxWWGp8bl1uo6P4FQNMBIXCYYXA9+8QVgs9iDOf4OJ Jo7xiyaH/+c/Z+O/AtpXNKq8vIzRNbaR6QRvZKvfYWhWj5NMNc8= =r/jQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_d1d3067cbd48107adf43127468117635--
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