Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:46:34 +0100 From: Stacy Olivas <olivas@digiflux.org> To: Chip Morton <tech_info@threespace.com> Cc: FreeBSD Chat <chat@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: was this really necessary? [ was Re: The FreeBSD Jive Copyright ] Message-ID: <3E596B6A.5090209@digiflux.org> References: <00bc01c2d93e$452d1f60$0502000a@sentinel> <4.3.2.7.2.20030221181620.01b7ded8@threespace.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20030223123659.01965b20@threespace.com>
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Chip Morton wrote: > At 08:44 AM 2/22/2003, you wrote: > >> If anybody was offended by this but of off-key humor, I wholeheartedly >> apologize. > > > > First off, I applaud you for your apology on this issue, Stacy. It > takes tremendous character and understanding to consider others' > perspectives, even when your own perspective tells you that you've > done nothing wrong. Thanks Chip. Like I said.. I was only trying to bring a little off-key humor to the list. I didn't realize that it would spark this kind of discussion. > > To all others who responded in favor of the humor or in defense of the > individual's right to free speech, I believe you've missed the point > entirely. The jive filter isn't based on a dialect; it's based on a > centuries old stereotype of African-American speech. The content of > the message wasn't funny at all. But even the mind-numbingly dull GPL > is funny when you make yourself up in blackface with big white lips > and add a little shuffle, isn't it? Hmm... True.. It is based on a stereotype that has been perpetuated by just about everyone. There is another message in this thread (after this one) that asks if anyone has seen Airplane (and it gives a link to the site with the quote in question). Anyone remember the two black guys on the plane who were talking "jive"? Then the little old lady stepped in to help (the stuardess, or is it flight attendant ? ) and translated between english and the "jive" talkers. > > The simple fact is that I think most of you are too far removed from > the group you're making fun of to understand why they wouldn't find > the joke nearly as funny. Despite being incredibly enlightened with > regard to technology, most of you are painfully ignorant with respect > to understanding anybody that's not as white-bread as you are. > Perhaps when somebody writes the homo filter or the habib filter or > the lo-wang filter or some other filter that strikes uncomfortably > close to home for you, then you'll understand. I do know that people within their own groups often times use what are considered racial remarks and stereotypical ways of talking/ acting jokingly. For example, how many people have heard the what I will refer to as the "N" word used between people of the same ethnicity in a way that was totally non-derogatory? Is it right to stereotype? No. However, taking what could be considered to be a stereotypical portrayal of a a group and turning it into something that is totally non-derogatory can be a good laugh by everyone. How many people out there laugh at Jeff Foxworthy AND are from the South? How many people laughed at Rudy Ray Moore's (a.k.a Dolomite) comedy? (Here's an interesting link: http://www.blaxploitation.com/) -Stacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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