Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 13:43:02 -0500 From: Drew Baxter <netmonger@genesis.ispace.com> To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jason C. Wells" <jcwells@u.washington.edu>, Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> Subject: Re: Linux "best of breed?" Message-ID: <4.1.19981106133411.00b1a750@genesis.ispace.com> In-Reply-To: <XFMail.981106134315.asmodai@wxs.nl> References: <4.1.19981105185704.00a92400@genesis.ispace.com>
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---Yanked my own original comments out and placed new ones in hopes to shorten--- At 01:43 PM 11/6/98 +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > >Well, I always had a knack for the Daemon. Besides, to quote some Linux >people: > >"We should start referring to processes which run in the background by their >correct technical term... paenguins." Lets call them 'Crap Processes' with no controlling terminal :P >They gotta be kidding ;) >Actually come to think of it, 't would be better if they started to use >paenguin instead of daemon, less desecrating for the poor Daemon. =D > >> You're right, it could happen, all of the tools come out for Linux... A >> user is a user though, even if it's some 12 year old thinking he's K-R4D >> and 31337 for using Linux and smurfing the crap out of people. >> Unfortunately such tools don't usually compile on FreeBSD. > >Is that: > >a) because FreeBSD's architecture is better >b) Linux' architecture is better >c) the coders know jack of programming > Probably a little of each. I don't use Linux enough to give a crap, I nuked my box.. I don't like how there is like 5 major distribs for Linux, and there's 1 for FreeBSD. There should be one way of doing things, and it should be the RIGHT WAY.. Probably that'd be Red Hat in the case of the Linux Escapade.. FreeBSD has 1 distrib, and it works, so who's the crackerass that needs 5 distribs for the same thing? >There, there ye have it exactly. Linux is but a kernel surrounded by a chaos >of distributions in which some good ideas emerge. FreeBSD is an entire >Operating System effort. Can we even compare the two then? IMHO, yes and no. >Yes: we can compare the different Linux distributions and the entire FreeBSD >package. We can also compare the Linux kernel with the FreeBSD kernel. No, we >cannot compare FreeBSD to Linux without specifying what we're comparing. You're right, the packaging makes the OS. Noone cares about the core (nucleus) but moreso about the surrounding architecture.. Which is probably why Windows is bundled with a bunch of software generally. >The entire problem being is that without the influx Linux generated with >regard to users and programs would the combined *BSD effort have come this >close as well? Aren't we already benefitting from the attention Linux gets? >Aren't we getting people who liked Linux but prefer more stability with >regard to the entire package instead of the Mach 3 approach Linux and all >it's distributions take? OSS in general is getting the attention because of the Linux escapade.. I don't think saying that Linux itself is a market loss for Microsoft.. They should have said "OSS is causing loss for Microsoft" and then zoomed in on the key packages that are affecting them the MOST.. >As I said before, I myself, the guru friend of mine, two associates of mine >all prefer FreeBSD (*BSD) over Linux for reasons that can only be described >as real life experience and preference for certain things. Friends of mine are all Linux heads, now suddenly they want to switch.. I'm like "Why?" and they can't answer.. Everyone wants to be somebody I guess. >That's a good thing that Wes started, to accumulate the effort out there. >Linux users are so keen on quoting where, what and how Linux is used. I only >know of the picoBSD project, the Whistle InterJet, Pluto Space and the yes.no >website from Eivind (sorry if that is the Pluto Eivind, still working on my >Norwegian ;) And all those are accomplishments, definitely.. Think this though.. U-Haul has been around for years (US and Canada only), and they never once put an ad on TV.. That's a common name in a household, "Well you could get a U-Haul and move it..".. Sometimes you can generate better and more publicity from word of mouth then you ever could with these speils in CNet.. >Heh, did they ever name it? My guess would be, Lilo, for reasons that can >only be described as meanspirited =) Not sure :) > >Oh and btw, "Linux is obsolete" -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum Obsolete stuff usually never gets updated.. As long as there is revision, there will never be total obsoletion... >--- >Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai >asmodai(at)wxs.nl >Junior Network/Security Specialist >FreeBSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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